What gets through? I simply don’t see it. Fossil fuel drilling in the US has hit an all-time high. Domestic car sizes are only getting bigger and we’re taxing or banning any small, cheap foreign EV imports. For every pipeline that gets stalled, three more are built. We don’t even bother reporting on spills anymore, despite their increasing frequency. We are epically fucked and we all know it.
Don’t ever give up.
Give up doing what? This isn’t Peter Pan. You can’t bring us under 1.5C by clapping.
You talk to politicians. Politicians talk to (or coerce) CEOs.
We can’t trust companies to get us out of this, but government is (or should be) stronger than companies, and government is (or should be) working for US.
You’re acting like just because that’s the way it IS, that’s also the way it MUST BE. Power can and should reside with the people. If corporations Obstruct that, they should be set aside. If they bribe politicians, those politicians should be removed. These are all solvable problems, but that’s more difficult than sitting back and crying “we’re doomed, abandon all hope”.
This is almost exactly the problem, except I think liberals tend to conceive power as independent from ‘capital’, which is its primary shortfall.
We’ve already allowed capital to accumulate into too few hands, and now in order to rein them back in a government has to be sufficiently determined as to allow our national economic structures to be damaged in order to rectify it. A handful of companies are responsible the majority of our economic activity, threatening them too severely risks sending our financial instruments into a downward spiral.
There’s reason to be pessimistic about the state of things, but I agree it’s not hopeless.
The rate of co2 growth is no longer exponential. This is improvement. Yes, it’s still growing, but at a slower rate than it used to. We’re moving in the right direction, thought much too slowly.
Think of it like a big ship hurtling along.
Currently, we’re braking. Still moving forward but slower. We need to stop and reverse, and that’s the plan, but we need to do it faster.
Yeah, but if it’s inevitable going to end up at worse… Now I have to deal with this shit AND take care of the fuckin boomers… Shoulda just let them tear the bandaid off quick and have to deal with it themselves… ~devil’s advocate
Every single thing we are fighting for and does get through has prevented stuff from being even worse than they are now. Don’t ever give up.
What gets through? I simply don’t see it. Fossil fuel drilling in the US has hit an all-time high. Domestic car sizes are only getting bigger and we’re taxing or banning any small, cheap foreign EV imports. For every pipeline that gets stalled, three more are built. We don’t even bother reporting on spills anymore, despite their increasing frequency. We are epically fucked and we all know it.
Give up doing what? This isn’t Peter Pan. You can’t bring us under 1.5C by clapping.
Yeah 1.5 is fucked. But we can still limit it under 2.0 or 2.5. Yes it is fucking horrific. But 1.5 does not mean everyone suddenly drops dead.
Also, the world isnt the US. Improvements are happening on a smaller scale. Some countries getting almost all energy through solar and wind.
Green energy becoming cheaper than fossil fuel.
Is it enough? Fuck no. But im not letting you cunts hop in with corporations and push the pedal to the metal.
Stop ignoring all the positive things happening to fix the climate. You are putting other people off helping with your doomer shit.
Unless I’m talking to a CEO of a major bank or Fortune 100 fossil fuel firm, “we” cannot.
You talk to politicians. Politicians talk to (or coerce) CEOs.
We can’t trust companies to get us out of this, but government is (or should be) stronger than companies, and government is (or should be) working for US.
And CEOs pledge campaign contributions and lobbying efforts to delay regulations against their corporate interests
Government should be the counter balance to private interests, but in a capitalistic system they act in tandem.
Only if you cede too much power to corporations.
You’re acting like just because that’s the way it IS, that’s also the way it MUST BE. Power can and should reside with the people. If corporations Obstruct that, they should be set aside. If they bribe politicians, those politicians should be removed. These are all solvable problems, but that’s more difficult than sitting back and crying “we’re doomed, abandon all hope”.
This is almost exactly the problem, except I think liberals tend to conceive power as independent from ‘capital’, which is its primary shortfall.
We’ve already allowed capital to accumulate into too few hands, and now in order to rein them back in a government has to be sufficiently determined as to allow our national economic structures to be damaged in order to rectify it. A handful of companies are responsible the majority of our economic activity, threatening them too severely risks sending our financial instruments into a downward spiral.
There’s reason to be pessimistic about the state of things, but I agree it’s not hopeless.
Every day, the daily rate of CO2 output beats the previous day. We haven’t even remotely slowed down.
Yea but at least some CEOs are getting great salary packages!
The rate of co2 growth is no longer exponential. This is improvement. Yes, it’s still growing, but at a slower rate than it used to. We’re moving in the right direction, thought much too slowly.
Think of it like a big ship hurtling along.
Currently, we’re braking. Still moving forward but slower. We need to stop and reverse, and that’s the plan, but we need to do it faster.
You don’t think it could have been even worse by now? I do.
Will say though, I do wish to visit the timeline where Al Gore did not concede, and was president.
Yeah, but if it’s inevitable going to end up at worse… Now I have to deal with this shit AND take care of the fuckin boomers… Shoulda just let them tear the bandaid off quick and have to deal with it themselves… ~devil’s advocate