… and I can’t even continue the chat from my phone.

  • @Cryophilia
    link
    English
    3815 days ago

    Is Matrix another one of those apps that when you click on a download link it takes you to a page full of tech jargon shit like “nightly signed beta configs here, just unjibble the .trag file and recombobulate with a python scrab to mambo directory: AAATGFHHOLLLM56888NGAAA.tar.gz” ?

    Or is it like an app normal people can use?

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      2115 days ago

      Of course not,

      with the new encapsulator all you need is to reconfigure your turbomutator to allow electrostabilizer executable to directly read instructions from your self-hosted AI model.

      Who even uses python to scrab anymore? Install podman dude.

      • @Aqarius
        link
        English
        715 days ago

        Podman breaks the retroencabulation.

      • @discount_door_garlic
        link
        English
        214 days ago

        as a big proponent of FOSS I see where you’re coming from - but the reality will always be that apps which have a significant learning curve to even install are obviously hugely off-putting to the majority of users. While the rest of us might be comfortable cloning a repository and building from a tar file, expecting the average person who wants to talk with friends and family to jump through those kind of hoops is exactly what has held back wider adoption of better standards.

        Things like flatpacks and snaps have gone a long way to making this less daunting, but when matrix isn’t a ‘self-hosted decentralised chat’, it’s a *‘version of whatsapp that isn’t always online, and i don’t know where to download it and have to learn what the terminal is to even get it on my laptop’ * - we can’t be surprised people stick with the less secure, private, easy options. That’s why I’m a big advocate of signal - it’s not perfect and part of me wishes it was matrix or threema or one of the other standards, but getting people comfortable with the idea of free and open source software, while making it as simple for them to install on their phone or computer as anything meta makes is a really good first step - in the meantime, it’s up to us in the wider community to make the other solutions more intuitive, simple, secure, and trust that if a good enough job is done of that - they will come.

        • @Cryophilia
          link
          English
          314 days ago

          I managed to get my parents on signal because it’s functionally a WhatsApp clone

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          English
          114 days ago

          Sorry,but have you at least read the wikipedia article before writing this post?

          Matrix is a standard. Not an App. Just like Lemmy is.

          There are dozens of clients (Element, Schildichat, Fuzzychat, Beeper) available to download for basically every system imaginable and in all major Appstores.

          You can easily join an existing instance - and with beeper there is even one existing that handles all the bridges for you.

          Only when you self-host it gets more tricky-just like it does with Lemmy(as a matter of fact Matrix is far easier to selfhost than Lemmy). And again there are various distributions available. They aren’t as easy as the clients and not as easy as flatpacks, but someone who has done their due diligence can absolutely handle them easily. (And self-hosting should absolutely not be “as easy as flatpacks/snaps” - the risk for both the admin and the net itself is too high). But again: The average user has little incentive to selfhost. Just like you don’t selfhost your Lemmy instance.

          The Matrix environment is as easy to use as Signal, Threema, WhatsApp for ages now. In some points I would even argue that it’s more user friendly than Signal,btw.

        • KillingTimeItself
          link
          fedilink
          English
          114 days ago

          as a big proponent of FOSS I see where you’re coming from - but the reality will always be that apps which have a significant learning curve to even install are obviously hugely off-putting to the majority of users.

          i think part of the problem is that stuff like matrix is built for a very specific interface. Where as we could build something like matrix, in a different design meta, more akin to something like mumble, which not only greatly simplifies the construction of it, but also greatly simplifies administration of it. The protocol itself shouldn’t innately require an obtuse arbitrary system that makes it a nightmare.

          Anything that is remotely related to “web apps” or web in general, seems to be an utter fucking nightmare these days. I think we need a healthy dose of dedicated native applications.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      415 days ago

      It’s website seems to have had a graphic designer look over it. It seems to do the best of both worlds where you can download the default user friendly client or choose to go down the jargon route if you want to.

    • JackbyDev
      link
      fedilink
      English
      215 days ago

      It’s not quite that bad but it was trickier than Lemmy.

    • voxel
      link
      fedilink
      English
      214 days ago

      it’s as easy to get into as lemmy/masto/fedi

    • Darth_Mew
      link
      English
      -1514 days ago

      I think you mean lazy illiterate people. just pay Google/amazon and be done with it

        • Darth_Mew
          link
          English
          -2
          edit-2
          14 days ago

          elitist because I said they don’t want to read? lol ok … you weirdos get so butthurt over a simple statement

          • ProdigalFrog
            link
            fedilink
            English
            114 days ago

            Not everyone has the ability or spare time to become skilled in every field. Calling them lazy and illiterate for not learning a complicated thing (when they may already be learning some other complex subject) is kinda the definition of elitism.

            • Darth_Mew
              link
              English
              114 days ago

              being able to read and follow instructions = elitism

              please get your head out of your rear end

            • @Cryophilia
              link
              English
              114 days ago

              Tech bros are so fucking bad about this shit. Doctors too. I’m not an idiot, I fix big industrial machinery for a living, I can rewire your whole house up to code, but I don’t work in tech so I don’t know what the fuck a flapjack api is or whatever.

              • Darth_Mew
                link
                English
                014 days ago

                tech bro? wtf does that even mean. maybe stop crying that cOmpUteRs ArE hArD and use your brain