• @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      65 months ago

      There’s no proof but what else could be these people’s problem? They have to know what they’re doing to the image of people who do care about the environment. It’s not like they’re helping. I don’t get it.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        85 months ago

        it doesn‘t seem logical to you that some people are freaking out because everybody is talking about climate change while it is clearly happening and it is becoming obvious that too little is being done too late?

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          English
          95 months ago

          Man I agree with you. I just feel sick when I see harm being done to such an ancient piece of history. What reason is there for it? Go after something actually related to the problem at least.

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            English
            7
            edit-2
            5 months ago

            I think very little can be done to cause public outrage, which is what they want to do. This did it. Also I see no lasting damage being done to Stone Henge. And that‘s true for all their actions, as far as I know.

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              English
              25 months ago

              But are their actions causing public outrage at: a) the causes and purveyors of climate change, or b) the people protesting climate change?

              I don’t think the “any attention is good attention” adage applies to something as politically polarized as climate change.

              • @[email protected]
                link
                fedilink
                English
                55 months ago

                fair point. I think it is heart breaking that they seem to be losing this battle. No matter what kind of protest they choose, I keep hearing: Well, that‘s not the kind of protest I would support. So yeah, maybe they are at a dead end. But maybe not because they chose the wrong kind of protest, but because the public don‘t want change. Look at the European elections. It seems the other side‘s propaganda works a lot better, yeah.

      • Orbituary
        link
        English
        25 months ago

        There’s no proof

        Then shut it until you can show evidence.

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          English
          105 months ago

          All I’m really trying to say is their methods make the environmental movements look bad. I hate that. I want things to get better. I don’t think they’re doing anything to help that. Go after something relevant.

          • @grue
            link
            English
            75 months ago

            MLK’s protests made the civil rights movement look bad. People fucking hated him at the time, despite how history has whitewashed him.

            Every effective protest pisses reactionaries and “moderates” off. If it doesn’t piss them off, it isn’t effective.

            • @fishos
              link
              English
              05 months ago

              Except this doesn’t make me care about oil one damn bit. What I do care about it harsh penalties for the perpetrators(including community service and paying for the damage to be undone) and protecting heritage sites like this from other shitty humans. Its not activism, it’s vandalism. It has nothing to do with oil. It would be the same as setting the Mona Lisa on fire and screaming about oil. It’s just unhinged.

              • @grue
                link
                English
                35 months ago

                Except this doesn’t make me care about oil one damn bit.

                So what? Nobody cares what you think, least of all the Just Stop Oil people. They don’t have to win people to their cause; they just have to keep making themselves a nuisance until everybody’s so pissed off that The Powers That Be are forced to capitulate just to make it stop.

                Not to mention, it takes extremists like them to make the more moderate environmentalists look reasonable. It’s the same way that the government was eventually forced to concede to the demands of people like MLK: because it became clear that the demands of people like Malcolm X, not the status quo, were the alternative.

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              English
              -1
              edit-2
              5 months ago

              Sure but you can hardly compare this to any of MLK’s protests. As far as I’m aware, he never harmed pieces of ancient history. He got to the root of the problem and did things like sit-ins in white only restaurants. It’s two different kinds of pissing people off.