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They’re usually shredded alive almost immediately because they’re seen as “waste” since they don’t lay eggs
For some more context:
They’re usually shredded alive almost immediately because they’re seen as “waste” since they don’t lay eggs
For some more context:
I acknowledge that food is cruel. Plants scream when you cut them, you just can’t hear it. There are animals that kill their food by suffocation, drowning, spinal damage, being dismembered, impaling, and worst of all, the trauma of being devoured alive. Nature is cruel, humans are no different. We’ve just centralized the production and distribution.
All that said, I don’t think we should make them live in cruel conditions. Let them go outside and walk around while they grow up before you take a pneumatic hammer to their skulls ffs.
I’m not sure you can compare the screaming of plants to the screaming of animals.
“Plants silently ‘scream’ when you cut them, so it’s morally equivalent to shooting a bolt in to the brain of a sentient animal, right? Nature is cruel, so I guess I have no choice but to continue eating this big Mac, right?”
I mean if you acknowledge pain, perhaps you also acknowledge nervous systems. something plants don’t seem to have.
What people mean when they say “nature is cruel” is “changing my eating habits seems like a huge inconvenience with no personal reward, because I don’t in fact care what other entities experience. Sure we’re talking about animals at the moment, but how easy would it be for me to turn off my sense of empathy for people as well?”
Also, plants don’t “scream” and I want to throttle the media sites that ran with that headline for choking up science with even more bullshit and nonsense. Releasing a chemical agent to affect defense mechanisms isn’t “screaming in pain” the way humans experience things. I have no clue why they thought that equivalency was worth publishing.
The amount of pseudoscience surrounding the ‘plants tho’ debate is just plain infuriating, I just can’t with anyone who thinks harvesting wheat is morally equivalent to sticking a bolt through a cows head.
It’s probably way too far to even dare hope that the majority of human beings can be taught concepts like “central nervous systems” and how a living mind experiences things and what things can and cannot experience things.
Because I’m quite sure the average person can’t even recognize when another person is alive and can feel things.
Plants release chemicals that have effects. A lot of media and news sites took that and ran with it to get clicks.
The thing we’re really asking here is if something can experience something, such as pain.
Plants have no qualia. They do not experience things, there is no central nervous system that compiles information and then takes actions.
Mussels and clams and many bivalves also have no brains or central nervous system and thus cannot experience things.
Most other higher creatures with brains can experience things, just like you or me. They don’t have language or words but they are experiencing the world. That’s what we’re talking about, so let’s not use hyperbole about this topic because it’s already choked enough with morons trying to make it political when we should be taking our role far more seriously as wardens for our planet and the lives around us.
Yes, but unlike the bivalves and bears and bootlace worms, you can decide if you’re going to be cruel or not. The rest of that statement is just what people say when the idea of actually empathizing with animals and reducing your meat intake seems like a huge bother and annoyance and you simply don’t fucking care.
If you don’t care, just say it. Let’s also stop trying to turn this into some kind of rational argument. If this is how you feel, be honest about it.
I’m not a vegan but I understand nature and unfortunately, human nature as well.