• Tar_Alcaran
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      165 months ago

      The world of a hundred years ago. Where I live, the liberal parties mostly want to create more freedom for companies to fuck people over.

    • @KazuyaDarklight
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      55 months ago

      Liberals Left, Republicans Right, is the dichotomy of the US at least.

      • archomrade [he/him]
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        75 months ago

        US liberals and US conservatives both share the core ideals of Liberalism, including the right to private property

        They differ only in where they think individual liberty ends.

      • Cowbee [he/him]
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        Overton Window, maybe, but that’s not a particularly useful categorization. Parties represent relatively fixed views, not directions.

        • @KazuyaDarklight
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          35 months ago

          In the US it’s a spectrum combining party policy and Overton Window. As you move left, you go deeper and deeper into increasingly extreme thoughts on policy regarding what we consider classic liberal topics such as social justice, corporate power, various societal and economic reforms, etc till it hits an extreme that’s considered radical to the average, the same goes for the right and classic conservative views.

          Hugging the middle/mixed gray zone are the Centrist.

          • Cowbee [he/him]
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            I think you’re a bit confused on terms.

            Social Justice isn’t really a “Liberal” topic. It’s a topic many US Liberals generally are progressive on, but that doesn’t make it “Liberal.” Liberalism is also not about reforming the economy but maintaining “healthy” Capitalism.

            Liberal views are therefore views in line with Liberalism itself, and Liberal Parties like the DNC represent Liberalism and movements towards Liberalism, not movements towards the left.

            Social Democracy, ie what Scandinavian Countries have, would be centrist.

    • @Cryophilia
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      USA

      Liberal in the US means progressive. It’s a term referring to social issues, not economic ones.

      • Cowbee [he/him]
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        15 months ago

        Liberal in the USA means Liberal economically, it’s just that economic Liberalism is more progressive than the alternstive, far-right populism.

        • @Cryophilia
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          Liberal in the USA means Liberal economically

          No, it absolutely does not. You are lying.

          • Cowbee [he/him]
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            05 months ago

            Yes it does. The Liberals in the US support Liberalism. Calling someone a Liberal means they support Liberalism in the US.

            • @Cryophilia
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              You are a liar and you keep spreading this bullshit. Both sides in the US support economic liberalism. The US exclusively uses the term “liberal” to refer to social issues.

              You can argue about whether that’s a good definition or not, but you CANNOT argue about whether that’s actually how it’s used in the US, both in everyday usage and political journalism.

              You are spreading this shit because you like to intentionally blur the difference between Democrats and Republicans.

              • Cowbee [he/him]
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                25 months ago

                Both sides in the US support Capitalism, but the far-right is far more populist.

                I am not trying to blur the difference between the Democrats and Republicans.

                • @Cryophilia
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                  Then why are you trying to push this idea that “liberal” = “fiscally liberal”? Not only is it not true, it’s not even useful, as we have words like “capitalist” to describe the similar economic thinking between Democrats and Republicans (and I’m using similar very loosely here, it’s only similar when compared to something like socialism).

                  • Cowbee [he/him]
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                    35 months ago

                    Liberal = Liberal, yes.

                    Liberalism is the dominant ideology of Capitalism, Capitalism the the dominant economic structure.