Oh, cool, so that’s what’s supposed to happen in a collision? I’ll totally buy one.

  • partial_accumen
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    155 months ago

    You can absolutely talk about it, but recognize that non-EVs catch fire more often that EVs. So if you have a problem with EVs catching fire, you should REALLY have a problem with every other car first.

    • Flying Squid
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      25 months ago

      Do other car companies’ cars that lack defects tend to have this sort of fire situation?

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        Do other car companies’ cars that lack defects tend to have this sort of fire situation?

        If you can point to any car company that produces a car lacking defects at all, I’m very interested to see it. With regard to EV fires vs cars that have ICE the numbers are very telling:

        “Data from the National Transportation Safety Board showed that EVs were involved in approximately 25 fires for every 100,000 sold. Comparatively, approximately 1,530 gasoline-powered vehicles and 3,475 hybrid vehicles were involved in fires for every 100,000 sold.” source

        60 times greater fire chance for pure ICE car than EV. 139 times greater fire chance for hybrid than EV. So if you are desiring to own a car with a much much higher likelihood it will catch on fire make sure it has an ICE engine and a gas tank.

        • peopleproblems
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          45 months ago

          Now that is a better statistic. However, I would want to go one step further - every 100,000 vehicle miles.

          • partial_accumen
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            In looking for other information I did run across this quote. Its in an article from Forbes, so take it with a grain of salt, but the quote isn’t from the author but from Tesla corporate. It doesn’t offer a complete picture, but its the closest to your question I’ve run across so far so I thought I’d share it:

            “Tesla has reported that between 2012 and 2021 there was approximately one Tesla vehicle fire for every 210 million miles travelled. This includes fires that did not originate in the vehicle, like arson, structure fires etc. According to the National Fire Protection Association, the national average in the U.S. was one fire per 19 million miles travelled. This suggests Tesla’s EVs are 11 times less likely to catch fire than the average car,” Edmondson said." source

            • peopleproblems
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              15 months ago

              Dang yo, that’s exactly the number I was looking for. Thank you!

          • partial_accumen
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            15 months ago

            I’d be interested in that number too, but I don’t know how you can go about finding it.

        • Flying Squid
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          35 months ago

          Talk to Tesla. They claim this has nothing to do with defects. It’s not about likelihood, it’s about their claim that it’s not their issue.

          • partial_accumen
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            15 months ago

            Why do I need to talk to Tesla? BEVs (Tesla or any other brand) have far far fewer car fires than anything with an ICE engine. Its proven by statistics. You started this conversation asking about car fires. Isn’t that the topic you wanted to cover?

            • Flying Squid
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              15 months ago

              They claim this has nothing to do with defects.

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                You’re moving the goalposts on the conversation then. If I read the article properly, the “defects” comment in the suit was related to the crash, and not the fire, where the deceased driver and the surviving passenger both had Blood Alcohol Levels way above the legal limit. That wasn’t related to the fire.

                Are you conceding on your original point and agreeing that BEVs are far far less likely to catch on fire than cars with an ICE engine and gas tank?

                • Flying Squid
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                  15 months ago

                  I never made such a point, so I have nothing to concede.

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                    “I keep being told we shouldn’t talk about Teslas catching fire because it’s not a big problem and also other cars catch fire.” -FlyingSquid link

                    Care to explain what you meant by your opening post then?

        • @lemming741
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          25 months ago

          The average ICE is 4 times older than the average EV- more than 12 vs less than 4

        • @Malfeasant
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          139 times greater fire chance for hybrid than EV.

          I feel like that’s mostly thanks to Kia & Hyundai…

    • @skyspydude1
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      25 months ago

      How old is the EV fleet compared to the broader vehicle fleet? Literally some of the oldest “mass-market” EVs are barely older than the average car. I’ve never had a fire in any newer car, but I’ve had a couple of close calls in old shitboxes with rat gnawed wiring or an oil/fuel leak onto the exhaust headers.

      • partial_accumen
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        35 months ago

        I don’t have those numbers. I’d be happy to look at them if you find them though.

        • @skyspydude1
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          Can’t say what the average EV age is, but I know for a fact it’s far younger than the overall fleet average. Overall fleet average in the USA is 12.5 years, while the Leaf and Model S, some of the oldest “mass market” EVs didn’t begin sales until 2011 and 2012, respectively. The Model 3 and Y didn’t begin sales until 2017 and 2019. The average EV is much, much younger than the overall fleet, and only make up about 1% of the total US fleet.