I hate it when people say shit like this so authoritatively. Like this is some conjecture at best. It’s a baby. No one knows why a baby does this. Someone assumed that and some other people said oh yeah that makes sense.
It doesn’t really seem that hard to test? Emotions–at least in their occurrence and strength–are detectable with non-invasive brain scans. We’ve been doing that for ages. Put some electrodes on a baby, let them see their mommy, watch the graph spike until they turn away.
The argument “how could we know that about babies?” was used, for decades, to justify doing surgery on babies without anesthesia. They can’t talk, so who knows if they’re feeling pain or not. Guess we can safely assume they don’t. Point being, we don’t have to have a conversation with them about it to know why they’re doing something.
Oh yeah let me just plug in an fmri and find out if someone is definitively experiencing “joy”. That’s high level somewhat subjective emotion, not pain. Neurological understanding is not nearly as advanced as you think it is. I spent my post doc doing fmri research; the best thing you could come up with here is “areas of the brain associate with pleasure are highly activated” but even that doesn’t necessarily indicate the baby feels overwhelmed. Maybe I’m wrong and there’s some fancier neuroscientist out their that can read baby brains but I doubt it
While I think scanning baby brains is not really viable for this (see my other reply) they actually do basically put babies in a restraint for X-rays and neurological scans that looks pretty fucked up. But I mean if a baby is having seizures or has a suspected broken bone you have to get imaging, even if it’s kind of cruel
I hate it when people say shit like this so authoritatively. Like this is some conjecture at best. It’s a baby. No one knows why a baby does this. Someone assumed that and some other people said oh yeah that makes sense.
We interviewed 10,000 babies and learned jack shit
We interviewed 10,000 babies and the most common answer were:
giggle
cry
smile
shit themselves
Glad I frequently have a common answer
Or like a study in UK concluded: fuck all.
My first thought what how the fuck could you possibly know that
It doesn’t really seem that hard to test? Emotions–at least in their occurrence and strength–are detectable with non-invasive brain scans. We’ve been doing that for ages. Put some electrodes on a baby, let them see their mommy, watch the graph spike until they turn away.
The argument “how could we know that about babies?” was used, for decades, to justify doing surgery on babies without anesthesia. They can’t talk, so who knows if they’re feeling pain or not. Guess we can safely assume they don’t. Point being, we don’t have to have a conversation with them about it to know why they’re doing something.
Oh yeah let me just plug in an fmri and find out if someone is definitively experiencing “joy”. That’s high level somewhat subjective emotion, not pain. Neurological understanding is not nearly as advanced as you think it is. I spent my post doc doing fmri research; the best thing you could come up with here is “areas of the brain associate with pleasure are highly activated” but even that doesn’t necessarily indicate the baby feels overwhelmed. Maybe I’m wrong and there’s some fancier neuroscientist out their that can read baby brains but I doubt it
Yeah baby please stand still for the brainscan… Or try to laugh while your head is restrained in a vise. Easy peasy
EEG’s aren’t that uncomfortable.
You don’t know what an EEG is, do you?
You know how to discourage people from learning, don’t you?
Only people who make fun of those who know more from a position of ignorance
How ironic of you
I replied to someone mentioning a brain ‘scan’ though. You know what an EEG is but… Do you know what that G stands for?
Gram.
Well now me man that ain’t no scan innit
While I think scanning baby brains is not really viable for this (see my other reply) they actually do basically put babies in a restraint for X-rays and neurological scans that looks pretty fucked up. But I mean if a baby is having seizures or has a suspected broken bone you have to get imaging, even if it’s kind of cruel
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It’s nicer to believe than my baby turned away because it’s tummy hurts from laughing at my face too much.
*its tummy :)Edit: I stand corrected. Their tummy.
their*, babies aren’t objects
Excellent point! I stand corrected.
it isn‘t tummy 😉
I emote like you on this one