• @RapidcreekOP
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      -44 months ago

      You’re taking an issue mentioned in passing as the total embodiment. I’m sure that you think you won something.

      • @PugJesus
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        44 months ago

        Okay, so other than the issue of American immigration and economics, what else did he touch on? Refresh my memory. Because the only other thing that sticks out to me is the implication that some nebulous elite is ‘tricking’ people into having empathy to cause ‘damage’ to social services.

        • @RapidcreekOP
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          -24 months ago

          The statement that most people that apply for immigration are the more active and engaged in their own countries. So, if you find that to be true, it may also be true that it’s in everyone’s best interest if they remain in their countries to change them. The idea is that the US should encourage this.

          • @PugJesus
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            64 months ago

            As the link I posted notes:

            Emigration can alleviate unemployment in origin countries by reducing the labor pool and decreasing competition for scarce jobs. Between 2000 and 2007, unemployment rates in Central and Eastern Europe dropped by as much as 50 percent, in part because of increasing migrant outflows from these countries.

            (Basic market principles, this - freedom of movement for labor is vital to achieving efficient labor distribution)

            Successful emigration of skilled workers can sometimes encourage more investment in education, potentially raising a country’s overall skill level. Migration opportunities associated with nursing led to the development of a private education system in the Philippines that provides low-income women with career opportunities. Large numbers of nurses remain in country after completing their education, and as a result, the Philippines has more trained nurses per capita than some wealthier countries, such as Greece and Malaysia.

            The idea that trapping people in their own country thinking that if they have nowhere to go, that will be better for the country than sustainable improvements in retention methods for skilled workers is just… not backed up by evidence.

            • @RapidcreekOP
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              04 months ago

              All true, but who is going to force change in those countries? Of course nurses are needed in the US, but are they not needed in those countries too? And when they are needed and not there, will we send some?

              • @PugJesus
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                34 months ago

                All true, but who is going to force change in those countries?

                Material conditions. Like the continued issue of emigration of skilled workers. That’s… that’s what the quote is getting at.

                Of course nurses are needed in the US, but are they not needed in those countries too?

                … yes. That’s why the emigration causing investment in the country of origin to create a supply in the local labor market is counted as a positive in this analysis.

                • @RapidcreekOP
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                  -14 months ago

                  So, you’re really not talking about permanent immigration, you’re talking about training. Good.

                  • @PugJesus
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                    34 months ago

                    So, you’re really not talking about permanent immigration, you’re talking about training.

                    … no, that’s literally the opposite of what was said. The country of ORIGIN is driven to invest in their education system by this, not the country of DESTINATION.