I’m pretty sure it’s more a distinction between people who focus on personal liberties and especially private property vs collectivism and socialism. Basically lots of people aren’t for right wing fascism but still want to own private property, view their personal comforts more important than necessarily the needs of others (NIMBYs I think count here) etc.
This could be as simple as not liking property damage in protests, still preferring cars and trucks to public transportation, not liking high occupancy buildings in your area etc, at least that’s how I’ve gleaned it as someone who doesn’t use that kinda label myself.
I could be wrong, but that’s how it feels to me. Closer to centrist or even just original form of libertarian, which some have labeled as being a bit more left wing than US libertarians.
yes. thank you for a more nuanced viewpoint. i’d have to agree with your assessment, even if i don’t agree with the principle.
for me, living in a society requires being part of a collective (in the modern world). i prefer many of the things that the ‘true libertarian’ prefers, but i don’t expect society to provide my selfish desires. that’s why i choose rural over urban. but the suburbs are part of am urban landscape, so if someone wants to live that NIMBY life, that need to make sure their backyard is far away from the other backyards. i realize that is getting harder and harder to do, which is why i dream of a secular society where we can practice a humanitarian from of birth control, because ultimately, a healthy life just isn’t possible when we are crowded into tight spaces. humans need room to breathe and express themselves.
I gave a deduced definition, not an endorsement. I will say that I view human rights and human life as more important than private property, but I am in no way encouraging people to harm or steal from someone they just don’t like.
When someone asked me what I’d do about someone stealing an A/C unit off a house if I didn’t have a gun, my answer was basically “I would not kill someone over an a/c unit.” I stand by that statement.
Where did you get the idea that licking the boots of a bunch of political elites qualify as “advocating” for anything, Clyde? That is… unless you are advocating for licking politician boot?
i get that you’re not advocating for anything. that’s kinda my point. you’re here to complain but you offer no solutions. i don’t like that.
ftr, i hate cops possibly more than you do. we’re not here to argue about whether cops are good or bad. the question being begged is what are we going to do about it? so what are you going to do about it?
I don’t want to know how thoroughly brainwashed you have to be to conflate democracy with utterly anti-democratic concepts such as capitalism and colonialism, but my guess would be… pretty much totally.
the liberals don’t say that. conservatives say that.
This is Lemmy, liberal = right-wing fascist.
kids are so weird
I’m pretty sure it’s more a distinction between people who focus on personal liberties and especially private property vs collectivism and socialism. Basically lots of people aren’t for right wing fascism but still want to own private property, view their personal comforts more important than necessarily the needs of others (NIMBYs I think count here) etc.
This could be as simple as not liking property damage in protests, still preferring cars and trucks to public transportation, not liking high occupancy buildings in your area etc, at least that’s how I’ve gleaned it as someone who doesn’t use that kinda label myself.
I could be wrong, but that’s how it feels to me. Closer to centrist or even just original form of libertarian, which some have labeled as being a bit more left wing than US libertarians.
Bang on
yes. thank you for a more nuanced viewpoint. i’d have to agree with your assessment, even if i don’t agree with the principle.
for me, living in a society requires being part of a collective (in the modern world). i prefer many of the things that the ‘true libertarian’ prefers, but i don’t expect society to provide my selfish desires. that’s why i choose rural over urban. but the suburbs are part of am urban landscape, so if someone wants to live that NIMBY life, that need to make sure their backyard is far away from the other backyards. i realize that is getting harder and harder to do, which is why i dream of a secular society where we can practice a humanitarian from of birth control, because ultimately, a healthy life just isn’t possible when we are crowded into tight spaces. humans need room to breathe and express themselves.
Who decides what property damage to cause? If I disagree with someone can I smash their car windows?
I gave a deduced definition, not an endorsement. I will say that I view human rights and human life as more important than private property, but I am in no way encouraging people to harm or steal from someone they just don’t like.
When someone asked me what I’d do about someone stealing an A/C unit off a house if I didn’t have a gun, my answer was basically “I would not kill someone over an a/c unit.” I stand by that statement.
It’s like words don’t have meaning anymore…
Pretending that the police isn’t all bad is a pretty damn liberal thing to do.
Fuck the police. Each and every one of these class traitors.
where in the fuck are you getting that this is a liberal thing? you must be european. these terms don’t have the same meaning in america.
Sorry, did you have something to say?
No, Clyde… liberal ideology is the same liberal ideology everywhere.
The fact that you are more brainwashed than even the average European doesn’t change squat.
so which political identity are you advocating for?
I don’t advocate for political racketeers, Clyde.
gotcha. advocate for nothing, criticize everything. stay edgy, clyde
Which part of…
…didn’t you understand the first time around?
Where did you get the idea that licking the boots of a bunch of political elites qualify as “advocating” for anything, Clyde? That is… unless you are advocating for licking politician boot?
i get that you’re not advocating for anything. that’s kinda my point. you’re here to complain but you offer no solutions. i don’t like that.
ftr, i hate cops possibly more than you do. we’re not here to argue about whether cops are good or bad. the question being begged is what are we going to do about it? so what are you going to do about it?
Do you consider Kamala Harris a liberal?
Of course she is - unless you want to show me some evidence that she won’t uphold capitalism and colonialism if given half the chance.
That is circular reasoning, it’s not the actual definition of “liberal”, even if it is the functional definition of “Democrat”.
I don’t want to know how thoroughly brainwashed you have to be to conflate democracy with utterly anti-democratic concepts such as capitalism and colonialism, but my guess would be… pretty much totally.
They see it as pragmatism, I think.
Same thing different name