I’ve been eyeing this machine for a while since my goal is to really control my press just like I have with the Aero Press. Still haven’t decided if this is a worthwhile investment.

  • @eramseth
    411 months ago

    If you mean “quick” as in “how much effort to figure out how to make a good shot” then I definitely agree.

    If by “quick” you mean “how long from zero to espresso” I actually disagree. You can be pulling a shot in 8-10minutes with a flair. Most traditional (boiler, pump, push-button) espresso makers are still warming up in that time frame.

    • dandan
      611 months ago

      Yeah, a flair or a robot is way quicker than a powered espresso machine.

      I’ve been trying to optimise my workflow using a stopwatch and doing as much in parallel as possible. The key is to have water boiling and beans grinding simultaneously, and then milk heating and espresso extraction simultaneously.

      I can make a flat white and be all cleaned up and packed away withing 4mins.


      • add water to kettle and start boiling
      • add beans to grinder and start grinding
      • get robot off shelf and put into position with scale
      • put milk into French press and in the microwave with time set to 1min (but not yet started)
      • grinding has now finished. WDT and tamp.
      • kettle has now boiled, press start on microwave
      • water into portafilter and press (~30sec)
      • empty and clean portafilter
      • remove milk from microwave, froth, pour.
      • put away robot, clean french press.
      • @eramseth
        211 months ago

        That’s pretty wild.

        I got a bellman steamer for milk. Usually only do lattes when I’m quaking from home or on weekends because it takes a while.

    • Don Beefy
      111 months ago

      yeah, I was mostly referring to the effort you put into each cup. Some people prefer less of a workflow per cup. I agree with you on the first shot, but if I’m making more than 2 shots I notice myself wishing I had a more traditional machine. I still have not invested in getting a second portafilter and brewchamber, so I lose a lot of time resetting between shots.

      • @eramseth
        111 months ago

        Honestly, I’ve been using a traditional espresso machine at work and it also has a lot of steps.

        Esp with the 58 removing variables of a standard style portafilter and heated brew chamber, I prefer the workflow of the 58. The only extra step is pouring water into the brewing chamber.

        By the time you buy a second portafilter and brew chamber you’ll be out almost as much as a 58.