• @[email protected]
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    -465 months ago

    Wait till OP learns about what America did to non-white people in its’ history.

    The Nuremberg race laws were inspired by JimCrow and were actually less restrictive.

    • BigFig
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      315 months ago

      Classic whataboutism

      • @[email protected]
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        -255 months ago

        How is the fact that america was built on white supremacy and literally inspired Nazi policy whataboutism?

        • BigFig
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          315 months ago

          Because that’s not what we’re talking about in this thread. You’re bringing up other atrocities and moving the spot light off of the topic at hand

          • @Dkarma
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            -45 months ago

            That doesn’t make it whataboutism tho

          • @[email protected]
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            -205 months ago

            The post is about the US being an antifascist nation, while it has a very fascist-adjacent history.

            CIA backed coups in south America would be whataboutism. How the US inspired the Nazis: not so much.

            • @[email protected]
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              125 months ago

              How the US inspired the Nazis: not so much.

              …and then we fought a war over it. Do you need to be introduced to a calendar?

              • @Dkarma
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                -35 months ago

                Half the country didn’t want to fight the war, are you daft,? It took pearl harbor to even start to change minds.

              • @[email protected]
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                -205 months ago

                As if the US was the main character of WW2. How arrogant do you have to be?

                When did operation paperclip occur, again?

                • @PugJesusOP
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                  125 months ago

                  Operation Paperclip: when we imported Nazis to run our government. Of course. Silly me. That’s why the civil rights movement had its greatest successes and prominence right after WW2, because of all the fascists we decided to empower.

            • @JayleneSlide
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              65 months ago

              The history of the US isn’t “fascist-adjacent;” we’ve had our heads ALL THE WAY UP THAT ASS since the beginning and ongoing. Most of the founding fathers were worried that an “excess of democracy” would be bad for business (season 4 of “Scene on Radio,” https://sceneonradio.org/category/season-4/page/2/).

              The US’ crusade against all things vaguely left of center goes even deeper than I ever thought. It’s a bit surprising how many of the most dreadful dictators in the past 100 years were graduates of the School of the Americas and/or installed by the CIA. See: “The Jakarta Method” by Vincent Bevins.

              Prunebutt is right here: the US was, at best, laissez-faire about Nazis until it wasn’t. Nazis were good for business. I’ve read a lot on the topic, but can’t find any good citations at the moment. This is an accessible, albeit lightweight entry point: https://time.com/5414055/american-nazi-sympathy-book/. But listen to just about year of “Behind the Bastards,” and it’s a deep rabbit hole of how closely tied to fascism the US had always been.

              • @PugJesusOP
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                Prunebutt is right here: the US was, at best, laissez-faire about Nazis until it wasn’t.

                Oh, I guess I must have imagined the Roosevelt administration being stridently anti-Nazi from the beginning, and the mass protests whenever Nazis showed up in the US. Silly me.

                • @JayleneSlide
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                  25 months ago

                  Oh, I guess I must have imagined the Roosevelt administration being stridently anti-Nazi from the beginning, and the mass protests whenever Nazis showed up in the US. Silly me.

                  You are correct that you are imagining this, because the US’ relationship to Germany was definitely complex. Roosevelt was far from “stridently anti-Nazi” until Kristallnacht (1938 Nov 9), at which point Roosevelt recalled the US ambassador to Germany and allowed the 12,000 visiting Germans to remain in the US. However, despite allowing those Germans to stay, he did not push to increase immigration quotas.

                  Prior to Kristallnacht, the Roosevelt administration, Hollywood, petroleum companies, and much of the manufacturing base were very pro-Nazi Germany. The administration assisted Germany in circumventing boycotts while US petroleum companies provided fuel and oil despite European sanctions. Sources: Robert Evans (“Behind the Bastards”), Rafael Medoff (“Roosevelt’s Pre-war Attitude Toward the Nazis”)

                • @[email protected]
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                  -55 months ago

                  Oh, I guess I must have imagined

                  Well, I guess you must have been there, if you didn’t imagine it. /s

                  Clarification: that was a joke and not supposed to be a proper addition to the argument.

                  • Todd Bonzalez
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                    55 months ago

                    You sure are spending a lot of energy defending literal Nazis. Unless you have an actual point to make, you might want it considering shutting the fuck up.

              • @Drivebyhaiku
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                15 months ago

                I have a pet theory that facism is very much an inability to look in the mirror but when someone else does it it’s a different story. The first country out of the countries assumed to be… Let’s say predominantly assumed Christian in heritage and treat each other as peers - the ones who serve as the closest analog of mutually assumed standards - becomes the first adopter of Facism. That might be the actual shock that shuts down facism elsewhere. Wherever does it first seems to me likeliest to become the example that causes people on the fence to snap out of it.

                Pre WWII there were facist groups on the rise everywhere. While it’s possible it may have been more in reaction to Germany’s sudden expansionism the drop off of those who were heading into moderate support towards facist groups could have been essentially just realizing what your ideology looks like fully complete from the outside for the first time and being repulsed.

                I have zero anything to back this up. Maybe it’s more just a hope than anything.

        • Todd Bonzalez
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          105 months ago

          Nobody ever said it was. This was a call for anti-fascism.

          If you want to argue down a call for action against Fascism, go for it, but don’t act surprised when people call you a Fascist for it.

          If there’s a real point you wish to make, it’s lost in way you’ve presented it. Instead of being a miserable scold, you could have added to the conversation, but since feel that everything you post needs to be in the form of a rebuttal, it comes across as though you are trying to completely invalidate OP’s meme rather than add little color to it.

          Everyone here already knows about America’s troubled history. You’re preaching to the choir. It really sounds like you’re defending Nazis by claiming that America is somehow the “real evil” when OP’s post can pretty succinctly be summarized as “Nazis Bad”.

          We did fight Nazis in WWII, everything else notwithstanding, and we are going to have to do it again soon. We’re trying to figure out who is on what side, and with your attitude, you’re going to end up being an honorary fascist since you’re going to throw a semantic tantrum every time someone signals anti-fascism.

          • @[email protected]
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            -85 months ago

            This was a call for anti-fascism.

            … By way of national pride, forgetting the US’s “troubled” past. Trying to counter fascism with patriotism is a dangerous game.

            Everyone here already knows about America’s troubled history. You’re preaching to the choir.

            The responses seem too differ.

            You’re awfully glib about a looming civil war.

            Sure, the person disliking patriotism will be an “honorary fascist”. /s 🙄

            • @PugJesusOP
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              95 months ago

              forgetting the US’s “troubled” past

              The Confederacy is right there. In the meme.

              Are you even trying?

              • @[email protected]
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                -65 months ago

                Like the confederacy was the only time the US was white supremacist. Ever heard of Nixon and how his war on drugs was just a strategy to criminalize black people (and leftists)?

                • @PugJesusOP
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                  75 months ago

                  I’m sorry the meme doesn’t acknowledge every crime of the USA in the space of one photo and three sentences?

                • @AngryCommieKender
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                  65 months ago

                  You’ve gone way into No True Scotsman territory. Your argument is fallacious, and pro-fascist.