• Veraxus
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    15 months ago

    Why would you think there is any kind of difference between them? All of John 3:1-21 is a single conversation about a single topic.

    • Flying Squid
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      15 months ago

      I don’t think there is a difference.

      I think they both apply universally.

      You refuse to say whether or not 3:16 applies universally, you only claim 3:18 does not. All you have to do is say whether or not 3:16 is universal and you refuse to do it.

      • Veraxus
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        15 months ago

        I see. I am talking about the conversation as a whole, since I dislike taking verses out of context.

        The underlying topic is universal: Righteousness and who gains eternal life at the Resurrection. Jesus teaching is entirely centered around this. So in a way, it’s all universal.

        But there’s an extra layer to the entire conversation: acceptance of Jesus as the Messiah. So the entire conversation is filled with scathing barbs aimed at Israel, and Nicodemus as a representative of Israel. 18 contains one of these barbs. Does this help?