If Ukraine started a terror campaign against non-combatants, it would be a reasonable comparison. Problem is that while you can cite Hamas operations against military/police targets, we shouldn’t ignore the operations on non-combatants. Even as the IDF has done wrong, Hamas has done wrong in a similar way, albeit with fewer resources and thus to a lesser extent at this point.
It’s what I hate about the whole “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”, it likes to present even terroristic acts as morally relative according to context, but it’s just not the case.
That highlights the point precisely. Ukraine is targeting Russian troops, i.e. legitimate military targets. Hamas targets civilians and uses civilians as human shields. The IDF doesnt care how many civilians they have to go through to get to Hamas.
They also started sending unmanned air vehicles with explosives to Russian infrastructure such as oil. Which I’m not against. Because they’re defending themselves against an invasion. As Palestine is doing. The situation of Palestinians is much, MUCH more dire than that of Ukrainians, so it’s only to be expected (not to be confused with justified) that their response is also more violent.
uses civilians as human shields
Sorry, but that’s strictly false, and propagating that shit is heinous. I’ll paste here what someone else said in the comments:
Palestinians was there before Israel was even conceived, and the first Nakba, in 1948, which marks the hard line of the invasion, in which 750k+ Palestinians were forcibly relocated, was started by Israel. History didn’t start on October 7th
That’s why I pointed out that the CURRENT conflict has been started by the Hamas. Israel may have started this conflict a long time ago, but the Palestinians also have their fair share of commiting warcrimes and violence against Israel.
If Jewish people in Nazi Germany had started a series of terrorist attacks against civilians, would you be comparing them to Nazis and telling that “both have a fair share of blood in their hands”? Because it’s THAT black and white.
Bro wtf? I never said that colonizing Palestine is OK. I fucking told you that Israel is also commuting large amounts of warcrimes and is commuting genocide. I told you that both sides(Israel,Hamas) are fucking assholes that don’t care about the Palestinian people who are the biggest loosers of this conflict. Where the hell did I said something racist?
Hamas is trying to achieve a ceasefire right now. Israel is not.
This is not a both sides thing. You have just never bothered to read up anything about Hamas.
The racist part is where you sympathize with white people resisting annexation but believe brown people resisting far worse settler colonization and Genocide is very wrong.
The racist part is where you sympathize with white people resisting annexation but believe brown people resisting far worse settler colonization and Genocide is very wrong.
I never said that.
Hamas is trying to achieve a ceasefire right now. Israel is not.
This is not a both sides thing. You have just never bothered to read up anything about Hamas.
And? It is good that they try to achieve a ceasefire, but that doesn’t mean, that they are the ultimatively completely neutral good guy.
Hamas exhausted all peaceful options and israel kept Genociding Palestinians. Only violent resistance against Genocide remains.
This is like condemning the condemning the ANC when they fought against Apartheid or the slaves during the slave revolt
Every mainstream racist American did condemn those things during that time by the way. And the news about it described them the same way we describe Hamas now.
Ukraine has also been attacking russian troops since the beginning of the invasion, what’s your point?
If Ukraine started a terror campaign against non-combatants, it would be a reasonable comparison. Problem is that while you can cite Hamas operations against military/police targets, we shouldn’t ignore the operations on non-combatants. Even as the IDF has done wrong, Hamas has done wrong in a similar way, albeit with fewer resources and thus to a lesser extent at this point.
It’s what I hate about the whole “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter”, it likes to present even terroristic acts as morally relative according to context, but it’s just not the case.
That highlights the point precisely. Ukraine is targeting Russian troops, i.e. legitimate military targets. Hamas targets civilians and uses civilians as human shields. The IDF doesnt care how many civilians they have to go through to get to Hamas.
They also started sending unmanned air vehicles with explosives to Russian infrastructure such as oil. Which I’m not against. Because they’re defending themselves against an invasion. As Palestine is doing. The situation of Palestinians is much, MUCH more dire than that of Ukrainians, so it’s only to be expected (not to be confused with justified) that their response is also more violent.
Sorry, but that’s strictly false, and propagating that shit is heinous. I’ll paste here what someone else said in the comments:
My point is, that in The current conflict the Hamas attacked first. Ukraine didnt.
Palestinians was there before Israel was even conceived, and the first Nakba, in 1948, which marks the hard line of the invasion, in which 750k+ Palestinians were forcibly relocated, was started by Israel. History didn’t start on October 7th
That’s why I pointed out that the CURRENT conflict has been started by the Hamas. Israel may have started this conflict a long time ago, but the Palestinians also have their fair share of commiting warcrimes and violence against Israel.
If Jewish people in Nazi Germany had started a series of terrorist attacks against civilians, would you be comparing them to Nazis and telling that “both have a fair share of blood in their hands”? Because it’s THAT black and white.
Ukraine attacked first after Russia invaded them.
The only difference is one of those people is brown and you believe colonizing brown people is okay.
Bro wtf? I never said that colonizing Palestine is OK. I fucking told you that Israel is also commuting large amounts of warcrimes and is commuting genocide. I told you that both sides(Israel,Hamas) are fucking assholes that don’t care about the Palestinian people who are the biggest loosers of this conflict. Where the hell did I said something racist?
Hamas is trying to achieve a ceasefire right now. Israel is not.
This is not a both sides thing. You have just never bothered to read up anything about Hamas.
The racist part is where you sympathize with white people resisting annexation but believe brown people resisting far worse settler colonization and Genocide is very wrong.
I never said that.
And? It is good that they try to achieve a ceasefire, but that doesn’t mean, that they are the ultimatively completely neutral good guy.
Hamas exhausted all peaceful options and israel kept Genociding Palestinians. Only violent resistance against Genocide remains.
This is like condemning the condemning the ANC when they fought against Apartheid or the slaves during the slave revolt
Every mainstream racist American did condemn those things during that time by the way. And the news about it described them the same way we describe Hamas now.