• @Zachariah
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    2 months ago

    There are more effects on someone than the weight loss. What you eat affects hunger, hormones, blood sugar, inflammation, bowel movements, energy, and more. This graphic is reductionist to the point of being deceptive.

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      712 months ago

      I’ve been thinking a lot lately, what if you were asking about how to hike up a mountain. Like you really wanted to get into it seriously, and learn and be prepared for the demands of the trail. What if the internet essentially just kept telling you “the only thing that matters is increasing your elevation”

      Like, yeah, that’s true in a very unarguable way. The summit is higher than the base. But if that’s the only thing on your mind you’re probably gonna make a lot of mistakes that make things way harder for you.

      Nobody told you about hiking boots, so you just showed up in flip flops? Technically you still only have to accomplish the same task of increasing your elevation, but now you’ll be miserable and about 100x more likely to just quit.

      What if the mountain path suddenly dips down before going back up? If all you know is you’re supposed to increase your elevation, you might get really freaked out and think you’re doing something wrong when you start descending.

      All of this is to say, the multitude of details are very much worth discussing in terms of weight loss. Two things can be true at once: being in a calorie deficit will result in weight loss, and calorie counting as a strategy may not work for everyone unless they have the requisite knowledge required to design a sustainable diet for themselves

      • @Zachariah
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        172 months ago

        Great analogy! I appreciate you took the time to write this out.

      • @reflectedodds
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        92 months ago

        This applies to all these diets, not just calorie counting. “Don’t eat carbs”, “don’t eat fats”, “don’t eat processed foods” are all different ways of saying “You just have to raise your elevation.”

        They all imply there’s just one singular thing you have to do, but they’re not sustainable.

        Your conclusion is great, it’s all about designing a sustainable diet for yourself that works.

        • @[email protected]
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          62 months ago

          I generally eat keto and have for years, there’s a bit more than “don’t eat carbs” behind it. Sure, if you just want to drop weight quickly go ahead and eat bacon and eggs for 6 month straight. You’ll be miserable but it’ll work. For me, Keto was an inroad to actually understanding nutrition, how to structure eating in a way that works well, and provided a “change of scenery” so to speak that enabled me to be more conscious of my body and how it reacts to certain things. I’m not going to sit here and say it’s the answer for everyone, I just wanted to point out that this graphic is also incredibly reductionist in their description of the diets as well and that sometimes these fad diets can have a meaningful impact on peoples understanding of nutrition and how their body works

    • @[email protected]
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      42 months ago

      To me it is not an informative graphic, it is a tongue in cheek one; all diets are reduction of calories

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      2 months ago

      Yeah total nonsense.

      Keto (not advertizing it, people just eating animals are the worst for our planet) works by changing your entire body to use Ketones instead of Sugar.

      This completely changes your appetite and energy levels, also you will be in a constant state of burning fat, so pauses will immediately cause weight loss, different from eating sugar, where you have glucose and glycogen still there. this is not proven.

      • @Carnelian
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        182 months ago

        Just as a heads up, every study ever performed confirms that keto offers no additional weight loss benefits compared to any other diet when calories are equated. Something I think of often when the keto people start talking about how the magic supposedly works

          • @Carnelian
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            52 months ago

            Yeah it’s pretty wild considering how fervently people buy into it, but if you’re an evidence-driven person keto is not particularly attractive for weight loss unless you just personally enjoy it.

            Scroll down a bit, we already have someone who swears the magic is real (and CICO isn’t) because they lost weight on keto, and their partner estimated their calories to be waaaaaay higher than before starting the diet. It’s a very compelling narrative if you come into it wanting keto to be true, which is why there’s almost like a religious fervor built up around it. But it’s never played out that way in an actual study

            • @[email protected]
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              42 months ago

              My body loves Keto, as I have some strange non-diabetes sugar issue. But vegan keto is insane.

            • @[email protected]
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              My point was just tallying food calories in is a shit way to be as reductionist as the pic is being.

              Drinking straight olive oil while not being on keto is not gonna go great for weightloss, but is fine on it.

              At no point did I say the CICO diet doesn’t work but go off I guess.

              • @Carnelian
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                72 months ago

                Right, sorry, to correct my mistake, here is what you actually said

                CICO is flatout not the mechanic used.

                My sincerest apologies for so severely misrepresenting your words. Have a good rest of your night with your olive oil shots