• @PugJesus
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    322 months ago

    I’d fucking vote for a corpse over fascism. It’s sad that you feel otherwise.

    • @Carrolade
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      152 months ago

      This is the internet. The odds of that guy actually being a staunch dem are very slim.

      • @PugJesus
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        52 months ago

        Yeah, elsewhere he gave “It’s a very complex issue 🥺” plea, unprompted, on whether Trump et co are fascist.

        • @Coach
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          -42 months ago

          I believe you misread that or you’re a fucking liar. Either way, that’s not what I said.

          • @Riccosuave
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            -22 months ago

            He is a fucking liar, and intentionally wants to twist up the obvious context to fit his chosen narrative. In other words, a propagandist and a try-hard.

            • @Coach
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              02 months ago

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              • @Riccosuave
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                42 months ago

                I was talking about PugJesus, not you…

                • @Coach
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                  22 months ago

                  I realized that later. Sorry, my bad!

            • @Coach
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              -42 months ago

              He went super fascist on me…about fascism. Fucking funny really.

              • @PugJesus
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                02 months ago

                He went super fascist on me…about fascism. Fucking funny really.

                Fascism is when you ask someone to explain something they said, and the more you ask, the more fascist it is, I guess.

    • @Riccosuave
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      -32 months ago

      Some of us live in states where our votes conveniently don’t matter. I don’t give a single fuck about performative voting. I care about winning, and Joe Biden is not going to win.

      • @PugJesus
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        -12 months ago

        The popular vote is an important legitimizing factor in elections. If your logic is that the end result is preordained, maybe you shouldn’t be voting in any election where the difference between victory, tie, and defeat > your vote.

        • @Riccosuave
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          62 months ago

          The popular vote is an important legitimizing factor in elections.

          Yeah, that sounds good, but ultimately it is fucking meaningless. I’m all for the popular vote compact, but that isn’t reality right now.

          If your logic is that the end result is preordained

          It isn’t preordained. I am working off the available evidence, and every single piece of available evidence is that he is going to fucking lose. Joe Biden staying in this race is dooming this country, and when he loses I hope he is punished for his hubris.

          • @PugJesus
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            -12 months ago

            Yeah, that sounds good, but ultimately it is fucking meaningless.

            Okay, so you don’t understand how governments act and sustain themselves. Cool.

            • @Riccosuave
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              32 months ago

              I absolutely understand. You are in your feelings. I am living in reality. The electoral college is all that matters. That is what determines our elections, and is what will determine if we are able to sustain our strained democracy. When Biden loses the election and wins the popular vote you can carry all the water you want, but Trump will still be president.

              • @PugJesus
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                -32 months ago

                I absolutely understand. You are in your feelings. I am living in reality.

                I guess you missed the whole autocoup issue on Jan 6? Minor, I know, to people with only a passing interest in politics, but kind of integral. Clearly you don’t understand the effect the percieved legitimacy of a government has on its functioning and continuation.

                • @Riccosuave
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                  52 months ago

                  Jesus fucking christ man. You are out to lunch. I’ve followed every single part of the political process in this country since I was like 11 years old. You are pissing me the fuck off now.

                  I watched January 6th live, I watched 9/11 live, I watched the invasion of Iraq live, I have diligently paid attention to every historical moment in my lifetime. The vast majority of the people under 50 in this country already think the government is illegitimate. It does not, and has not ever worked for them. The popular vote changes nothing. If you think it does then you are deluded.

                  • @PugJesus
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                    -42 months ago

                    I watched January 6th live,

                    Apparently it didn’t have much effect on you, considering your lackadaisical attitude towards legitimacy in government and political violence.

                    The vast majority of the people under 50 in this country already think the government is illegitimate.

                    lol

                • @anticolonialist
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                  12 months ago

                  So January 6th bad, President Putin and VP Trump is perfectly normal?

                  You’re concerned about legitimacy of government, functioning and its continuation while ignoring that there is a brain dead corpse that just gave a speech. That same brain dead corpse is running the world’s largest military, and can’t even form a cohesive sentence.

                  BlueMAGA has a new meaning tonight

                  • @PugJesus
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                    -32 months ago

                    So January 6th bad,

                    Yes, I thought that was apparent, but fascists like you always adore a good coup attempt.

                    President Putin and VP Trump is perfectly normal?

                    No, and I haven’t said as much.

                    You’re concerned about legitimacy of government, functioning and its continuation while ignoring that there is a brain dead corpse that just gave a speech. That same brain dead corpse is running the world’s largest military, and can’t even form a cohesive sentence.

                    How am I ignoring it?

        • @Ensign_Crab
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          -12 months ago

          maybe you shouldn’t be voting in any election where the difference between victory, tie, and defeat > your vote.

          PugJesus, encouraging people not to vote.

          • @PugJesus
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            12 months ago

            Sorry that I tried to demonstrate the ridiculousness of that logic by demonstrating its necessary defeatist conclusions.

            • @Ensign_Crab
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              02 months ago

              Sure. That’s what you were doing.

              You were doing what you incessantly accuse anyone who has been critical of Biden’s support for genocide of doing. You were encouraging people to stay home in the face of fascism.

              • @PugJesus
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                12 months ago

                Sure. That’s what you were doing.

                Yes, I thought the absurdity of not voting unless you were the deciding vote was obvious enough, but clearly it went over your head. I’ll be less subtle next time, though I imagine I’ll need bright highlighter colors to get any less subtle.

    • @Coach
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      2 months ago

      Yes, yes I fucking do. And I don’t feel bad about it anymore. You should.

      • @PugJesus
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        72 months ago

        And I don’t feel bad about it

        Cool, great, nice to know you don’t give a fuck about your fellow Americans.

        You should.

        I should feel bad for… voting against fascism?

        • @Coach
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          -72 months ago

          You should be ashamed to vote for that. To force that abhorrent excuse of a barely conscious individual onto the world stage to represent this incredible country.

          His campaign is over. His money is going to dry up and we’re going to be stuck with a fascist because you can’t nut up and make a difficult decision. Fuck!

          • @PugJesus
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            82 months ago

            You should be ashamed to vote for that. To force that abhorrent excuse of a barely conscious individual onto the world stage to represent this incredible country.

            Not happy about it, but I’d take a pet rock over fascism. Not really sure why you’re advocating otherwise.

            His campaign is over. His money is going to dry up and we’re going to be stuck with a fascist

            It’s funny that you seem to forget that when the issue of voting against fascism comes up.

            because you can’t nut up and make a difficult decision. Fuck!

            Wait, I’m the one not nutting up and making a difficult decision? Is that difficult decision ‘not voting and letting a fascist win’? Because that’s the only thing I’ve opposed here.

            • @Coach
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              12 months ago

              You don’t seem to be comprehending that the campaign is over. People are not going to vote for him. You can’t make them.

              And distilling the complexities of American leadership and our standing in the world into fascism vs. dementia is just naïve and simpleminded.

              There is time, but we need to move quickly and decisively. There is no time for nostalgia.

              • @PugJesus
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                22 months ago

                And distilling the complexities of American leadership and our standing in the world into fascism vs. dementia is just naïve and simpleminded.

                Okay, tell me about the ‘complexities’ of Trump as the other viable candidate, I’m interested in hearing this.

                • @Coach
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                  02 months ago

                  What the fuck are you people not hearing? There is time to find a replacement! But we need to move.

                  • @PugJesus
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                    12 months ago

                    What the fuck are you people not hearing? There is time to find a replacement! But we need to move.

                    No, no, let’s stay on this.

                    And distilling the complexities of American leadership and our standing in the world into fascism vs. dementia is just naïve and simpleminded.

                    Please explain what the fuck you meant by this.

          • @Riccosuave
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            -62 months ago

            You’re never going to break through the Blue MAGA brain rot. They are too far in denial. The grip of the sunk cost fallacy is too strong.

            • @Coach
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              22 months ago

              Sadly, you’re probably right. I’m just hoping there are enough people in positions of power to get the wheels moving on a replacement.

              These people will just have to come along for the ride.

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              22 months ago

              And this particular homie has every dnc talking point memorized. Dont get caught up in a slap fight with that one cuz no one out-types ol’ pugjesus lol. must type 120wpm, shits crazy

              • @Riccosuave
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                12 months ago

                Good point. You caught me slipping. That’s my bad.

            • @PugJesus
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              12 months ago

              Blue MAGA

              Jesus Christ.

              • @Riccosuave
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                02 months ago

                You may not like it, but you are embodying it. Deal with it.

                • @PugJesus
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                  32 months ago

                  You may not like it, but you are embodying it. Deal with it.

                  By… advocating for a replacement for Biden, but also emphasizing that voting against fascism is non-negotiable for people who want to actually oppose fascism, and who aren’t ready to passively welcome it?

                  • @Riccosuave
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                    -22 months ago

                    By… advocating for a replacement for Biden

                    I don’t see much “advocating” from you. I see a lot of hand-wringing.