Liberalism ≠ left. Seems like Kolleen’s higher education failed right there. In the US, yes, it might be but in other places it isn’t.
Either way, a LOT of higher ed institutions actually teach ideologies and have entire bodies of highly biased teachers so “critical thinking” isn’t something most places are into.
Look that I’m not saying the who’s right or wrong here, or if some ideology is better than another, I’m just pointing out a flaw in the post. Either way the number of downvotes in most post really shows how people care more about their ideologies than to actually understand what terms really mean and how perspective and context change things…
In most European countries that are typically socialist, liberalism is considered to be right-wing
Because most European “liberals” nowadays are only liberals in the way that don’t want to pay taxes, hate that the government tells them not to exploit workers or pump pollution into the air, and many loathe the idea that there are consequences for discrimination.
The rest of liberalism has rather fallen by the wayside in European liberalism.
The government interferes with the economy to influence our behavior, so economies are inherently tied to politics. Eg giving a tax break if you have a child, or applying tariffs to imported goods. Or even more broadly, globalization and colonialism.
The way each political party might interfere with each economic system and use it to regulate the people can be different as well. Theoretically, communism is anarchist in nature and moneyless, so the economic system would change the government, and the government would change the economic system.
I already know that. I’m telling you that you’re wrong, if we achieved communism, conservatism wouldn’t become leftwing or progressive or non-traditional.
Is feudalism left wing? Is it progressive? If someone advocated for us returning to serfdom instead of capitalism, are they being progressive? Are they left wing?
Modern conservatism would look as ridiculous as advocating for feudalism in a capitalist society. If communism was achieved, there would be some other hypothetical political ideology that would be demanding progress, which would be the new left wing.
I don’t appreciate the verbal abuse. I obviously am speaking to you clearly.
people who want to keep things the way they are who are conservative and traditional.
Yes, OR they advocate for regression (aka Make America Great AGAIN), and in a future communist society, conservatives by today’s standard would be advocating for things to regress. To today’s standards. Which is like advocating for a return to feudalism by modern standards. How is this hard for you to understand?
Change itself is not inherently leftist. A change towards traditional or historical values (eg reversing Roe V Wade) isn’t leftist or progressive; it’s regressive. That’s right wing.
If an Amish person ran for office and wanted us all to give up electricity and to return to life as it was in the 1600s, they would not be leftwing. They would be considered right wing conservative. Advocating for policies from the past makes you regressive and conservative, not progressive and leftist.
Liberalism ≠ left. Seems like Kolleen’s higher education failed right there. In the US, yes, it might be but in other places it isn’t.
Either way, a LOT of higher ed institutions actually teach ideologies and have entire bodies of highly biased teachers so “critical thinking” isn’t something most places are into.
You are technically correct. In a communist regime, the conservatives would technically be leftists.
Well, not only there. In most European countries that are typically socialist, liberalism is considered to be right-wing… eg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Initiative
Look that I’m not saying the who’s right or wrong here, or if some ideology is better than another, I’m just pointing out a flaw in the post. Either way the number of downvotes in most post really shows how people care more about their ideologies than to actually understand what terms really mean and how perspective and context change things…
Because most European “liberals” nowadays are only liberals in the way that don’t want to pay taxes, hate that the government tells them not to exploit workers or pump pollution into the air, and many loathe the idea that there are consequences for discrimination.
The rest of liberalism has rather fallen by the wayside in European liberalism.
Well, that makes sense. Eastern Europe used to be called the “Warsaw Pact” in response to NATO.
No. They wouldn’t be. They would still be right wing and regressive.
the issue is ‘communism left’, ‘capitalism right’, which are economic policies.
which is separate from socially liberal/left.
100% on point.
The government interferes with the economy to influence our behavior, so economies are inherently tied to politics. Eg giving a tax break if you have a child, or applying tariffs to imported goods. Or even more broadly, globalization and colonialism.
The way each political party might interfere with each economic system and use it to regulate the people can be different as well. Theoretically, communism is anarchist in nature and moneyless, so the economic system would change the government, and the government would change the economic system.
I’m not sure if you’re drunk, or just misread “policies” as “politics” or what.
But that made no sense.
Policies are result of politics. Politics creates policies.
Okay sweaty
…was that an attempt to be condescending and say “sweetie”? because it came out really creepy instead.
It’s spelled sweaty, sweaty. It’s OK you don’t know how to spell
conservative
adjective 1. averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values.
I already know that. I’m telling you that you’re wrong, if we achieved communism, conservatism wouldn’t become leftwing or progressive or non-traditional.
Is feudalism left wing? Is it progressive? If someone advocated for us returning to serfdom instead of capitalism, are they being progressive? Are they left wing?
Modern conservatism would look as ridiculous as advocating for feudalism in a capitalist society. If communism was achieved, there would be some other hypothetical political ideology that would be demanding progress, which would be the new left wing.
Which is good, we are meant to grow as a society.
You are an example of a failed education. Period.
I think you’re projecting. You can’t even argue in good faith where I am “wrong.”
okay “sweaty”
Do you even speak English? It’s the people who want to keep things the way they are who are conservative and traditional.
I don’t appreciate the verbal abuse. I obviously am speaking to you clearly.
Yes, OR they advocate for regression (aka Make America Great AGAIN), and in a future communist society, conservatives by today’s standard would be advocating for things to regress. To today’s standards. Which is like advocating for a return to feudalism by modern standards. How is this hard for you to understand?
Change itself is not inherently leftist. A change towards traditional or historical values (eg reversing Roe V Wade) isn’t leftist or progressive; it’s regressive. That’s right wing.
If an Amish person ran for office and wanted us all to give up electricity and to return to life as it was in the 1600s, they would not be leftwing. They would be considered right wing conservative. Advocating for policies from the past makes you regressive and conservative, not progressive and leftist.