• @[email protected]
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    -35 months ago

    that is only partly true, health system (here) also proposes to make false diagnoses for making money while the really needed treatment is underpayed or not payed at all or - in some cases - not payed at all if some facts change “after” the diagnosis so that the involved doctors spent time and money while afterwards not beeing payed at all. doctors doing false diagnoses (here) are mainly following the systems suggestion to skip real treatment but instead abuse patients.

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      That is a pretty big accusation you are putting on health care professionals.

      Of course the cost often is a deciding factor on what treatment is possible. I’ve seen this in european hospitals as well, that we couldn’t run certain diagnostics or give certain medications because they were too expensive and would mean the hospital spends more than it gets for the patient.

      But what you are saying is that doctors and in consequence nurses, medical technicians and all kind of medical staff are all in on a conspiracy to MISDIAGNOSE ON PURPOUS (!!) causing bodily harm (again on purpous) to their patients in order to get payed by insurance?

      Please provide reliable sources and proof for this accusation of significant criminal activity that is apparently the norm in your (“here” means the US I assume?) Health care system.

      I understand that your health care system is wack. But the fish stinks from the head and that’s usually not the medical staff providing your care, which you are accusing of serious crimes here.

      • @[email protected]
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        15 months ago

        i did say that health care professionals follow suggestions which is 100% true for the suggestions they get from (known health damaging) pharma corporations. and these suggestions are mainly for profit. maybe let me note the opioid crisis here, that did not even touch my country directly (that is until this becomes officially maybe), but assumingly yours. if you don’t know what happened there and who followed who’s suggestions, maybe start reading. same happens in other countries too and for the same purposes.

        a fact that is official here (as in there was a need for a law that currently helps) is that you get different diagnoses from different doctors and NEED to go to at least two different ones to have a chance for a correct diagnose. it took me >30 years to find a doctor that also tells me what is maybe less probable but also maybe a correct diagnose. the others just ignored all facts that were noncomplient to their diagnose and either were silent about it or incapable of also assuming other things with slightly similar symptomes.

        the system is that prone to do wrong diagnoses while not paying for real treatment that some patients and doctors silently agree to do some extra things that are paid better to finance the things that are not paid in one go as a compromise to circumvent the harmful system. this is not public as in news, but when you go to a doctor that you know and need something that is not paid and offer something else at the same time that actually gets paid like a scan for something that could be important for symptoms you might have, chances are very good to get better real help than when strictly following the laws without such offers. i’ve talked about this with a doctor where i was not patient and i observed this once from little distanze.

        i did not say that healthcare professionals intentionally harm for profit but follow guidelines made for profit-only that cause harm.

        also maybe ‘interesting’ to read: https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/07/05/time-to-assume-that-health-research-is-fraudulent-until-proved-otherwise/

        i tend to say that some shamans with true intention to help might often be better than a socalled healthcare system that truely is based on profit-only directors. while healthcare professionals depend on intentionally wrong informations (see opioid crisis) from profit-only corporations, their actions effects can highy contradict what their true intentions are. but for patiens really the outcome is what counts.

        so even if someone says that treatment from healthcare professionals harms the patient this does not at all include evil intent from that professional.