• @vxx
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      My mother used to say “If others jump of a bridge, do you do the same?”

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        I’ve never liked this saying.

        I usually hear it as “if your friends […], would you do so too?” If my friends—who I feel are quite level-headed—were jumping off of a bridge, I think they would probably have a pretty good reason. Is there a bear charging us from behind and they’ve noticed but I haven’t? Is it because the bridge is short and they’re safely jumping into some water for fun? (I’ve done this before. If the conditions are right, it’s perfectly safe for those who can swim.)

        Surround yourself with good, level-headed people. If your friends are arrogant/ignorant or not all that bright, you can’t assume they’re right to jump. If you’ve built up a sensible group of peers and they all are or are not doing something, you should at least consider why you are the outlier.

        Then again, I just wanted to dispute this saying. I’m not saying I agree with OP here.

        • @vxx
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          So you would jump off the bridge based on the fact that he jumped? I don’t believe you.

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            Who’s “he”?

            If only one jumps, I’m gonna think “why are they jumping?”

            If everyone is jumping and I know I’m surrounded by reasonable people, I wouldn’t jump blindly but I’m gonna think “why am I not jumping?”

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              And that’s why society is how it is. Nobody is making their own decisions but following their so called heroes.

              You’re dead now and don’t even know why, because you followed like a Lemming without even caring about what’s up.

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                  So you wouldn’t just jump because they did. I don’t understand your whole argument then.

                  Edit: Wait, you’re not OP that made the argument. Why would you answer a question directed at them?

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                    I didn’t say I would jump. I said I’d think “why am I not jumping.” Maybe I’m right not to jump. Or, there might be a good reason everyone is jumping. Maybe I should too. Maybe.

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                    You’re lack of critical thinking skills is showing.

                    For fucks sake you almost sound like a troll I just can’t help but lend disbelief

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                I see where you’re coming from.

                Sayings have to be short and memorable, meaning they usually lack nuance, are wrong depending on context, or are just straight up wrong. That’s why I don’t like the bridge jumping one; it’s the same reason I don’t like most sayings. I don’t think the bridge jumping saying is “straight up wrong.” Simplistic and lacking nuance? Yes.

                I think you’re right in that few make their own decisions and defer to their “heroes.” I’d instead say few truly think critically, despite believing they do.

                There are always people who do things nobody else does, don’t do things everyone else does, do things with an uncommon approach, or hold opinions that are considered outside the sphere of common thought. As a whole, this is okay. Not just okay, but good. Good for making societies interesting.

                When everyone does x, that doesn’t mean you should be doing x. Divergence sometimes proves righteous. This is what I presume is intended by the bridge jumping saying.

                However, I feel that many are far too arrogant in their divergencies. If something is different from everything else, that does not make it inately better. Often, it is not.

                This is especially true in the West. Western (especially American) culture is so individualistic that arrogance is rampant. How often do people really stop think whether they are really right about an ingrained divergency, to think that maybe they are in the wrong…maybe they’re not a rare enlightened one. For example, maybe prevaling theory from experts might have just a modicum of validity. Maybe more than some nunce’s gut feeling.

                Anyway, I’m rambling so to get to the point:

                If everyone else is jumping off a bridge, don’t jump blindly, but question why you aren’t jumping. You might be right not to jump. However, as the only one not jumping, you should consider if jumping might be just fine. Maybe everyone else has a good reason to be jumping.

      • @barsquid
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        The point is to highlight that one of the two politicians being compared is an utterly despicable asshole.

        • @vxx
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          My bad, I thought it was an attempt at justification instead of whataboutism.

          • @barsquid
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            32 months ago

            Your confidence in your understanding of what that word means is misplaced.

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        Okay, what were the jokes.

        I bet they were really funny if he just had to let them out then. Share with the class.

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          I am sure there were lot of funny jokes about the situation, I dont remember them off the top of my head. It is inherently very funny situation outside of the part where he got hit with a hammer.

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            It’s also funny how Trump almost got shot. Except, you know, the getting killed part.

            This is what you sound like. Like a complete moron.

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                Unironically fuck off with this attitude.

                Go talk about the builderbergs and their cancer satellites in the hole you came from.

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              Uh… There are already plenty of funny jokes about trump getting shot at… You guys have gotten super lame and stodgy. You have become the party of being stuck up.

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              Two dudes in the middle of the night half clothed and both holding a hammer is inherently funny. Situations that are out of the ordinary are typically funny.

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                Why… okay, completely setting aside whatever concern I might have for the victim, literally what do you find funny about that? Is it the hammer? Like, it should have been a knife? Wtf are you talking about?

      • @barsquid
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        I know you’re pretty delusional to the extent of vaccine and mask denial in 2024, but maybe take a hint that you keep needing to play make believe in order to defend your far right pals?