WHAT

  • Former U.S. President Donald J. Trump was shot at a rally in PA.

TRUMPS STATEMENT

“I want to thank The United States Secret Service, and all of Law Enforcement, for their rapid response on the shooting that just took place in Butler, Pennsylvania. Most importantly, I want to extend my condolences to the family of the person at the Rally who was killed, and also to the family of another person that was badly injured. It is incredible that such an act can take place in our Country. Nothing is known at this time about the shooter, who is now dead. I was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear. I knew immediately that something was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin. Much bleeding took place, so I realized then what was happening. GOD BLESS AMERICA!”

WHAT WE THINK WE KNOW SO FAR

  • gunman is dead
  • Trump “is fine”
  • one attendee is dead
  • another attendee is in critical condition

News Sources

  • @whoreticulture
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    -32 months ago

    Advocating for, or not advocating for, violence is a political stance. Many people defend Israel’s ongoing genocide and are not blocked from doing so. That doesn’t feel like the rules being consistently enforced. The people speculating on whether or not this is staged have access to the same information as everyone else, and in the spirit of true discourse, if it was seen to be false you could figure that out by discussion rather than censorship.

    • BlackbeardM
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      32 months ago

      If you have evidence that it was staged, feel free to share it. If you don’t, then we ask that you not speculate. It’s no different than any other claim for which we’d require a basic amount of credible substantiation.

      • @whoreticulture
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        -32 months ago

        Should I start reporting every comment that doesn’t have sources? 😂😂

        • @jeffwM
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          42 months ago

          If someone has made a claim that runs counter to commonly acknowledged information, please report it. If you need a few examples…

          You would need a source to say:

          • “the new COVID vaccine is dangerous because it has killed people”
          • “Donald Trump faked an attack on his life”
          • “this new medical treatment is extremely effective”

          You would NOT need a source to say:

          • “Donald Trump was subject of an assassination attempt” (commonly known and widely speculated to be an assassination attempt)
          • A personal preference like “Chocolate cake is the best kind of cake”
            • @jeffwM
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              22 months ago

              Saying that someone who shot a president is likely an assassination attempt is not a logical fallacy. There are pretty much 2 possibilities: targeted attack and random acts of violence. The fact that he seemed to be aiming at Trump suggests the former.

              • @afraid_of_zombies
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                02 months ago

                There are pretty much 2 possibilities:

                What methods did you use to eliminate a false flag operation?

                • @jeffwM
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                  2 months ago

                  Common sense and the ability to view photographic evidence

                  • @afraid_of_zombies
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                    12 months ago

                    common sense

                    Is not a shield

                    Photographic evidence

                    May I see the pictures that could not have been faked please?

          • @whoreticulture
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            02 months ago

            “widely speculated” … like I said, I don’t think it was staged, but it’s clear that most of what is being stated the day after this event is speculation.

      • @whoreticulture
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        -52 months ago

        I don’t personally think it was staged, but be honest … it’s not like you delete every single comment that doesn’t have sources …

        • BlackbeardM
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          32 months ago

          We remove comments that make objectively false claims, especially when they involve life or death situations. Covid misinformation is a good example.

          • @afraid_of_zombies
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            12 months ago

            The virus was studied by multiple different healthcare agencies across multiple different continents.

            This is not comparable to the performance yesterday.

            • BlackbeardM
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              2 months ago

              I didn’t compare a vaccine to an assassination attempt.

              • @afraid_of_zombies
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                2 months ago

                Yes you personally did not compare the vaccine to the performance yesterday, that doesn’t mean other members of the mod team in this thread did not.

                Edit: oh my bad you did, sorry about that.

                “Covid misinformation is a good example.”

          • @whoreticulture
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            02 months ago

            Speculating on an event that has already occured is not a “life or death situation” in the way spreading information that discourages the use of life-saving vaccines is.

            • BlackbeardM
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              22 months ago

              Given the state of American discourse right now, I’m going to hard disagree with you there.

              • @whoreticulture
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                12 months ago

                So you’re making moderation policy based on an assumption that people who have been exposed to the idea that the shooting may have been staged are more likely to incite violence than people who haven’t been? You don’t have source for that stance do you? One could argue that believing it is a failed assassination attempt would also incite people to violence. If a comment in particular calls for violence, thats one thing, but what you’re saying is not logical.

                • BlackbeardM
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                  22 months ago

                  No, we are not. Our sidebar rules are posted and have not changed, nor have the rules of Lemmy.

                  • @whoreticulture
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                    2 months ago

                    You said you are restricting discussion on whether the assassination was staged because it is a life or death situation. You have not provided compelling evidence that one form of speculation is more or less “life or death” than another.

          • @p5yk0t1km1r4ge
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            02 months ago

            Here’s your source.

            https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/04/leader-of-the-pro-trump-project-2025-suggests-there-will-be-a-new-american-revolution-00166583

            NEW YORK — The leader of a conservative think tank orchestrating plans for a massive overhaul of the federal government in the event of a Republican presidential win said that the country is in the midst of a “second American Revolution” that will be bloodless “if the left allows it to be.”

            It’s INSANE to me that you’d suggest we do nothing or even promote political violence over this.

            • BlackbeardM
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              32 months ago

              The Lemmy.World content policy prohibits advocacy of violence. We are enforcing the rules of Lemmy, not our own personal preferences. If you prefer an instance without such limitations, you are free to engage with another instance.

            • @[email protected]
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              Yet you seem to think acting like a petulant child is appropriate. Some of us have had our hands slapped because we crossed a line. But you can still act like an adult when it happens.

              If you don’t like the rules, fine. Then go elsewhere.

              • @p5yk0t1km1r4ge
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                …its nice to see how complacent and naive we have all become. Pathetic. This country deserves what’s coming if that’s the mind-set.