In all seriousness, where the line between funny and offensive is drawn is completely subjective. My line is obviously different than others. I didn’t feel that my puns were personally directed at anyone and I didn’t see them as perpetuating any harmful stigma or stereotypes. It uses a word I wouldn’t actually use in daily life but the pun wouldn’t work otherwise. Life has a lot of legitimate malicious people out there that there’s no need to split hairs to find more. There is no subjective way to look at what the IDF did in this case. It is objectively malicious and evil. I didn’t expect my puns to be the thing that upset people.
I thought of another joke. Being mindful, I’ve hidden the punchline. You’ve been warned!
Say the guy here was Hamas. Do you think he'd carry...
I understand that you probably don’t really recognise the impact of ableist slurs, but as someone who has been bullied, harassed, beaten up and sexually assaulted by people mocking me by using those slurs, they trigger a bit of a traumatic response. It’s not that they’re directed at anyone in particular, it’s just that they’re never possible to use in reference to disabled people without being, at the very least, extremely patronising, and extremely dehumanising at the worst.
I completely get that you didn’t intend any harm, and you were trying to criticise the IDF in your own way, and I’m really sympathetic towards that: fuck the IDF, 100%, they’re incredibly evil.
All I am doing is just asking you to please reconsider using ableist slurs as jokes in the future, that’s all. We’re all human, we all make mistakes, and it’s a completely normal reaction to protect our own ego when someone tells us that we hurt them in some way, so I don’t blame you for your reaction, but please try to overcome that knee-jerk reaction <3
It’s not a knee jerk reaction. You’re one person out of 8 billion. I’m treating your request the way I’d treat any request made to me by a random person on the internet. <3
How many people are you willing to harm before you change your behaviour? What’s the trade off in human suffering compared to the positives of making your joke?
I already said that I don’t speak for all disabled people, though, anecdotally, in groups that I’m in (I volunteer with a disability support group), the terms special and special needs are often highlighted as ableist terms that disabled people find offensive or get used against them as slurs. Some research online also bears that out, a number of reputable sources online have recommended avoiding the use of the terms special and special needs.
It doesn’t really particularly matter whether you’re disabled or not. This isn’t about identity, it’s about using a slur. If you had used the n-word as part of a joke and got backlash I think you’d understand this a bit better.
You’re being pretty callous around the fact that you genuinely emotionally hurt me, I’ve been as respectful, kind and considerate of you and your feelings as I can be. How do you expect to build a people-led movement to dismantle the exploitation of the working class if you can’t bring yourself to even care for one other person? On just a human level, I’m not trying to have an argument where I one-up you or something like that, this isn’t some debate to win or lose, I’m just talking to you, human to human, and trying to help you to understand that you’re unintentionally hurting people who are one of the most vulnerable minorities in society.
I truly hope that you’re just being a bit edgy and that in future you really will think twice about this kind of thing, regardless of what you write now.
(Regrettably) he’s here all week folks!
With jokes this controversial I’m hoping to score a Netflix special
Honestly your commitment to the bit is winning me back over even though you’re objectively kind of a dick
In all seriousness, where the line between funny and offensive is drawn is completely subjective. My line is obviously different than others. I didn’t feel that my puns were personally directed at anyone and I didn’t see them as perpetuating any harmful stigma or stereotypes. It uses a word I wouldn’t actually use in daily life but the pun wouldn’t work otherwise. Life has a lot of legitimate malicious people out there that there’s no need to split hairs to find more. There is no subjective way to look at what the IDF did in this case. It is objectively malicious and evil. I didn’t expect my puns to be the thing that upset people.
I thought of another joke. Being mindful, I’ve hidden the punchline. You’ve been warned!
Say the guy here was Hamas. Do you think he'd carry...
a .38 Special?
I understand that you probably don’t really recognise the impact of ableist slurs, but as someone who has been bullied, harassed, beaten up and sexually assaulted by people mocking me by using those slurs, they trigger a bit of a traumatic response. It’s not that they’re directed at anyone in particular, it’s just that they’re never possible to use in reference to disabled people without being, at the very least, extremely patronising, and extremely dehumanising at the worst.
I completely get that you didn’t intend any harm, and you were trying to criticise the IDF in your own way, and I’m really sympathetic towards that: fuck the IDF, 100%, they’re incredibly evil.
All I am doing is just asking you to please reconsider using ableist slurs as jokes in the future, that’s all. We’re all human, we all make mistakes, and it’s a completely normal reaction to protect our own ego when someone tells us that we hurt them in some way, so I don’t blame you for your reaction, but please try to overcome that knee-jerk reaction <3
It’s not a knee jerk reaction. You’re one person out of 8 billion. I’m treating your request the way I’d treat any request made to me by a random person on the internet. <3
How many people are you willing to harm before you change your behaviour? What’s the trade off in human suffering compared to the positives of making your joke?
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I already said that I don’t speak for all disabled people, though, anecdotally, in groups that I’m in (I volunteer with a disability support group), the terms special and special needs are often highlighted as ableist terms that disabled people find offensive or get used against them as slurs. Some research online also bears that out, a number of reputable sources online have recommended avoiding the use of the terms special and special needs.
It doesn’t really particularly matter whether you’re disabled or not. This isn’t about identity, it’s about using a slur. If you had used the n-word as part of a joke and got backlash I think you’d understand this a bit better.
You’re being pretty callous around the fact that you genuinely emotionally hurt me, I’ve been as respectful, kind and considerate of you and your feelings as I can be. How do you expect to build a people-led movement to dismantle the exploitation of the working class if you can’t bring yourself to even care for one other person? On just a human level, I’m not trying to have an argument where I one-up you or something like that, this isn’t some debate to win or lose, I’m just talking to you, human to human, and trying to help you to understand that you’re unintentionally hurting people who are one of the most vulnerable minorities in society.
I truly hope that you’re just being a bit edgy and that in future you really will think twice about this kind of thing, regardless of what you write now.
It was one thing when you were just constantly clowning but now you’re re-investing heavily in just being an asshole.
It’s a fine line and you don’t seem to have the ability to pull it off.