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  • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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    -134 months ago

    Because there are lots of other people who are not Trump.

    Voting for candidates with more extreme policies shifts the political needle, even if they don’t win.

    • @[email protected]
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      74 months ago

      OP has given us no info about the candidates they’re considering other than RFK, who is a lunatic. There’s no merit to encouraging RFK’s views, so Biden should be OP’s choice.

      • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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        04 months ago

        RFK has significantly less lunacy than Trump, and is much more coherent than both Biden and Trump.

        He still supports Israel though, so there is no anti genocide candidate.

          • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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            04 months ago

            The way RFK makes (coherent) arguments in public is streets ahead of Biden and Trump, but so is almost any politician.

            In terms of honesty, RFK is between Biden and Trump. Half truths and populism, rather than the full lies of Trump.

            • @[email protected]
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              24 months ago

              No, it isn’t. He’s a conspiracy theorist. Voting for him is endorsing conspiracy theorists.

              • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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                04 months ago

                The Tuskegee experiment is not the same as Flat Earth. Conspiracy theories are not a homogeneous and neither are conspiracy theorists.

                • @[email protected]
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                  24 months ago

                  The Tuskegee Experiment was not a conspiracy theory. So, in that sense you’re right.

                  Conspiracy theories and theorists are homogenous: the flawed thinking is inherent to the concept. Conspiracy theories are untrue by definition, and nothing to do with real conspiracies.

                  • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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                    Fuck off. The Tuskegee Experiment was a conspiracy. A group of people secretly performed illegal medical experiments on the African American population.

                    Conspiracy theories and theorists are homogenous.

                    Only within each conspiracy. Oliver Stone believes the JFK conspiracy theory but I doubt he believes the elite are literally lizard people.

                    the flawed thinking is inherent to the concept

                    Incorrect. An illegal agreement between two or more parties has no connection to how logical the process is of whoever is suspicious.

                    Conspiracy theories are untrue by definition,

                    Incorrect. They are unproven by definition. They may be true or false.

                    and nothing to do with real conspiracies.

                    Real (I assume you mean proven) conspiracies start off as theories.

    • Jackie's Fridge
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      44 months ago

      Voting for other candidates only shifts the needle if they win. If they can’t possibly win, nothing is accomplished by voting for them.

      • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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        14 months ago

        Incorrect. Bernie shifted the needle and didn’t win.


        On Thursday he rolled out two new policy proposals:

        • Lower the age of Medicare eligibility from 65 to 60.
        • Forgive student debt for low-income and middle-class families who attended public colleges and universities and some private institutions.

        "Senator Sanders and his supporters can take pride in their work in laying the groundwork for these ideas,

        https://www.npr.org/2020/04/10/830853819/joe-biden-won-the-primary-now-hes-trying-to-win-over-progressive-groups

        • Jackie's Fridge
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          14 months ago

          Didn’t win? Dude’s a congressman. He’s in.

          • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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            Bernie didn’t win the presidency but still got some of his policies adopted by the president.

            You don’t need to win to have influence.

            • Jackie's Fridge
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              14 months ago

              I think we’re talking past each other but agreeing on the fundamentals. I’m approaching it from the angle of all government positions - absolutely if a progressive candidate has a chance to win any office from dog catcher to president, get them in so they can influence policy. But if they have no chance of winning, it’s just damage control.