I know! Remove his opponent who beat him last time."
Foolish.
I agree with AOC and Sanders, Biden is the right candidate.
I hope Biden doesn’t bow to these cowards, and if he does, I hope I’m wrong that this is nothing more than a successful conservative scheme handing twermp the oval office.
Conservatives tried the exact same bullshit four years ago before Biden kicked their asses(despite their “polls”) and achieved one of the most successfully progressive presidencies in US history.
You don’t need to have a replacement ready. You can run this thing called a primary where people vote on who the replacement should be. We can even gather up the democrats and let them discuss the future of the party and officially nominate a new candidate. We can call that a democratic convention. We have plenty of time.
Except you can’t just do that now. We dont have plenty of time. Good luck organizing primaries in all the states again before November. And good luck pressuring the law to allow you to do that.
You’re tight about the primaries. But, the democrats can still pick a different candidate at the committee. We have plenty of time for that. We can even do debates and polling before then.
Its different because someone has already been nominated. Its not as easy as just picking someone else at the convention because of various state laws about it. Thats the issue here, well and that there doesnt seem to be any clear alternative that’ll bolster one last hoorah.
haha no replacement plan? What are you TALKIING about? Have you even beeen paying attention for the past 2 weeks? How much do I need to spell it out for you?
There are MANY plans in place that could ALL easily work and are designed for situations such as this.
Biden steps down, endorses Harris = done. Party united.
Biden steps down, calls for open convention = that’s what they’re for. 4 days, in out, done. Party United.
What I HAVEN’T seen a plan for is: How those too skittish to jump ship plan to change Biden’s trajectory in the polls while he matches Jimmy Carter and continues to sink. Do you have some age-reversal potion I’m not aware of? Have you been door-knocking in battleground states with undecided voters and convincing them otherwise? No? Of course you haven’t.
Anything is better than the all-but guaranteed loss of leaving Biden in. Why? BECAUSE THE ELECTORATE TOLD US AS MUCH.
75% of Americans believe Biden is not cognitively fit to run again.
A majority of DEMOCRATS believe he should step down.
Undecided Swing state voters who will decide this election agree and cite age is a chief concern.
Golly, it sure sounds like they’re all pointing to something… Hmm… Maybe we run someone a bit younger and not from the Silent Generation?
Speaking of conservatives, they’re all praying Biden stays in because they too know he’s the weakest candidate.
You’re contending that Harris is the galvinizing force of the progressives?
What are you basing that off of?
She’s basically a background character with cop connotations that nobody likes much and has no legislative power.
She does not have mass appeal, voting or otherwise.
As for the irrelevant polls?
Biden was trailing in the polls when he beat Twermp last time, and he has an extremely progressively legislated first-term under his belt with more progressive future plans while twermp has been legally found a rapist, and a convict three dozen times over.
Then you make further incorrect assumptions about me before pretendinf that Biden will lose… because he won last term.
What an illogical argument.
The conservstives are pirouetting on tulips because you’re parotting exactly what they’ve told you to say.
So you’re contending that Trump is the galvanizing* force of the progressivess? Tell me, in what realm does it matter who the “galvanizing force” of the progressives is when you can’t even fucking win the election?
It doesn’t matter what you or I like as so-called progressives; it largely matters what low-info battleground swing-voters think, because they will ultimately be the ones to decide the outcome of this election — And Newsflash — they’re leaning away from Biden this time around.
Ah yes, the “irrelevant” Grade-A aggregation of scientific polls for which you are evidently extremely illiterate on. Are you going to point to “crowd sizes,” as a substantive measure instead like Biden did? lol, please…
Biden was trailing in the polls when he beat Trump last time
BULLSHIT. No he fucking was not. Biden was 8 points ahead on the eve of election with 538 giving him a 90% victory odds. At this time in 2020, he was up TEN POINTS from where he is now. What the hell are you smoking? I want some of that. Get your facts straight.
I look forward to you finding any polling aggregation short of extreme outliers suggesting otherwise lol.
What an illogical argument.
My thoughts exactly. Still no plan. Still no data.
“So you’re contending that Trump is the galvanizing* force of the progressivess”
No, clearly you are as confused as you seem.
“Tell me, in what realm does it matter who the “galvanizing force” of the progressives is when you can’t even fucking win the election?”
In the realm where winning the election is the whole ostebsible point you’ve been fooled into advocating for biden’s abdication.
Are you even thinking before asking these questions? Or at least copy pasting?
They’re literally in the previous comment and OP.
“they’re leaning away from Biden this time around.”
Factually incorrect and what conservative news is reporting.
It doesn’t matter what you make up, Biden was trailing in polls in 2020 and beat twermp before twermp was found legally liable for rape and treason, and before biden’s incredibly successful progressive first term.
Oof, so I take it you couldn’t find polls showing Biden trailing in 2020? Hahahahahaha!
Yikes, obvious bad faith actor and troll who denies reality in the face of being caught dead-wrong while dodging obvious falsehoods. Unfortunate, demonstrable example of gaslighting. Bystanders beware. Tagged.
TLDR: beware of conservative trolls and fear-mongering or ignorant cowards trying to convince you that removing a progressive candidate who already beat twermp is a good idea.
No replacement, no plan, just
"How can we beat twermp?
I know! Remove his opponent who beat him last time."
Foolish.
I agree with AOC and Sanders, Biden is the right candidate.
I hope Biden doesn’t bow to these cowards, and if he does, I hope I’m wrong that this is nothing more than a successful conservative scheme handing twermp the oval office.
Conservatives tried the exact same bullshit four years ago before Biden kicked their asses(despite their “polls”) and achieved one of the most successfully progressive presidencies in US history.
You don’t need to have a replacement ready. You can run this thing called a primary where people vote on who the replacement should be. We can even gather up the democrats and let them discuss the future of the party and officially nominate a new candidate. We can call that a democratic convention. We have plenty of time.
Except you can’t just do that now. We dont have plenty of time. Good luck organizing primaries in all the states again before November. And good luck pressuring the law to allow you to do that.
You’re tight about the primaries. But, the democrats can still pick a different candidate at the committee. We have plenty of time for that. We can even do debates and polling before then.
Its different because someone has already been nominated. Its not as easy as just picking someone else at the convention because of various state laws about it. Thats the issue here, well and that there doesnt seem to be any clear alternative that’ll bolster one last hoorah.
That would’ve been a good idea a year or 2 ago
We live in the information age. We still have plenty of time. But you’re right, it would have been better if we had a real primary to begin with.
Seems pretty desperate, holding a primary and a convention despite having a good candidate that already won against the conservatives.
Not a remedy to anxiety, switching your horse at the end of the race.
You do not have plenty of time.
The mail in voting process starts August 7 in two weeks, election day is in a little over 3 months.
At maximum, you’re in the last 5% of this presidential term.
No plan but to abandon a winning candidate because he’s 3 years older than his opponent.
Bananas. Bananas!
haha no replacement plan? What are you TALKIING about? Have you even beeen paying attention for the past 2 weeks? How much do I need to spell it out for you?
There are MANY plans in place that could ALL easily work and are designed for situations such as this.
What I HAVEN’T seen a plan for is: How those too skittish to jump ship plan to change Biden’s trajectory in the polls while he matches Jimmy Carter and continues to sink. Do you have some age-reversal potion I’m not aware of? Have you been door-knocking in battleground states with undecided voters and convincing them otherwise? No? Of course you haven’t.
Anything is better than the all-but guaranteed loss of leaving Biden in. Why? BECAUSE THE ELECTORATE TOLD US AS MUCH.
Golly, it sure sounds like they’re all pointing to something… Hmm… Maybe we run someone a bit younger and not from the Silent Generation?
Speaking of conservatives, they’re all praying Biden stays in because they too know he’s the weakest candidate.
You’re contending that Harris is the galvinizing force of the progressives?
What are you basing that off of?
She’s basically a background character with cop connotations that nobody likes much and has no legislative power.
She does not have mass appeal, voting or otherwise.
As for the irrelevant polls?
Biden was trailing in the polls when he beat Twermp last time, and he has an extremely progressively legislated first-term under his belt with more progressive future plans while twermp has been legally found a rapist, and a convict three dozen times over.
Then you make further incorrect assumptions about me before pretendinf that Biden will lose… because he won last term.
What an illogical argument.
The conservstives are pirouetting on tulips because you’re parotting exactly what they’ve told you to say.
You haven’t made a single valid point.
Try again.
So you’re contending that Trump is the galvanizing* force of the progressivess? Tell me, in what realm does it matter who the “galvanizing force” of the progressives is when you can’t even fucking win the election?
It doesn’t matter what you or I like as so-called progressives; it largely matters what low-info battleground swing-voters think, because they will ultimately be the ones to decide the outcome of this election — And Newsflash — they’re leaning away from Biden this time around.
Ah yes, the “irrelevant” Grade-A aggregation of scientific polls for which you are evidently extremely illiterate on. Are you going to point to “crowd sizes,” as a substantive measure instead like Biden did? lol, please…
BULLSHIT. No he fucking was not. Biden was 8 points ahead on the eve of election with 538 giving him a 90% victory odds. At this time in 2020, he was up TEN POINTS from where he is now. What the hell are you smoking? I want some of that. Get your facts straight.
I look forward to you finding any polling aggregation short of extreme outliers suggesting otherwise lol.
My thoughts exactly. Still no plan. Still no data.
“So you’re contending that Trump is the galvanizing* force of the progressivess”
No, clearly you are as confused as you seem.
“Tell me, in what realm does it matter who the “galvanizing force” of the progressives is when you can’t even fucking win the election?”
In the realm where winning the election is the whole ostebsible point you’ve been fooled into advocating for biden’s abdication.
Are you even thinking before asking these questions? Or at least copy pasting?
They’re literally in the previous comment and OP.
“they’re leaning away from Biden this time around.”
Factually incorrect and what conservative news is reporting.
It doesn’t matter what you make up, Biden was trailing in polls in 2020 and beat twermp before twermp was found legally liable for rape and treason, and before biden’s incredibly successful progressive first term.
You can try again, though.
Oof, so I take it you couldn’t find polls showing Biden trailing in 2020? Hahahahahaha!
Yikes, obvious bad faith actor and troll who denies reality in the face of being caught dead-wrong while dodging obvious falsehoods. Unfortunate, demonstrable example of gaslighting. Bystanders beware. Tagged.
Correcting your falsehoods is not gaslighting.
You’re lying and making illogical assumptions; I’m calling you out.
Pretty straightforward.
Biden is a good president and candidate.
Twerp is legally liable for rape and treason, not to mention what a terrible everything else he is.
“obvious bad faith actor and troll who denies reality in the face of being caught dead-wrong while dodging obvious falsehoods”
That’s literally why I’m calling you out.
You don’t need to name yourself as a troll, I’m making sure people are aware of your magamania.
Oh no, you again… Ugh
https://lemmy.world/comment/11237616
I didn’t know who you were, thanks for the link.
Can’t stay away?
That’s a good link:
TLDR: beware of conservative trolls and fear-mongering or ignorant cowards trying to convince you that removing a progressive candidate who already beat twermp is a good idea.
Biden has advanced civil rights, sustainable tech, student debt, climate change radically.
And again, Biden already beat twermp even before twermp was found liable for rape and treason.