I feel that, but to be fair she’s not in a position to do much more than promise at the moment.
I think it’s an encouraging sign that she’s not trying to duck the issue, the way she could. That’s not a guaruntee she’ll take real action, but if she’s distancing herself from Biden on this even before she gets the nomination it’s a good sign.
I think it’s easy to forget just how extreme Biden is on this issue. Harris is your average democrat, but she’s still not ideological like Biden is, most aren’t. Biden went so far as to go around Obama to make promises to Israel when he was VP, I don’t see Harris having that kind of unquestioning desperation to help the right-wing Israeli government.
I’d guess they are fully conscious of what they are doing and will happily push America over a cliff for their own sick satification. Ignore them, they are no better then the christo-fascists.
On the contrary, do not ignore them. People base their feeling on the group opinion almost entirely on how often they hear a particular argument. They won’t remember that 90% came from 1 person.
Secondly, unless an idea is actively disagreed with, people (subconsciously) assume you agree with it.
Take every opportunity to disagree with the idiots. You won’t convert them, but you will sow seeds in the minds of those they might be swaying.
It’s a fine line. You don’t want to feed the troll and get yourself frustrated. It may be helpful to rebutt the poster but you should only do it if you can be perfectly infomative and concise. The more you argue with the poster the more onlookers might think both have valid arguments. Most people who are as divisive as seen in the OP have no problem arguing in bad faith. They will move goal post so frequently if you try to defend on all fronts you’ll look like you’re being tossed around.
Point being, general advise, ignore them. More specifically, it’s OK to rebutt them but don’t expect any reflection on their part.
No, I think it’s a perfect place to try out various information warfare strategies and let new trolls get their feet wet before promoting them to Facebook and reddit.
I’m not the OP of that comment nor did I express any opinion on the matter but fuck it let’s do this. Your position is, if I understand it correctly, that people who think that a politician, a group of people famous for making empty promises and gestures especially when running for office, might be making empty promises and should not be lauded for what may just be paying lip service to a hot-button issue, are “parroting nonsense” and “basically an AI” to you.
I understand that there are constant proven efforts to attempt to convince democratic voters not to vote, but I think that freaking out over any critique of the democratic candidate is frankly unhealthy for both this platform and for democracy at large.
I know the stakes for this election, I was going to vote for Biden and I am going to vote for Harris, but just because we live under a fucked up two-party system and we have to fall in line when it comes to voting doesn’t mean we have to fall in line for the dogma as well.
Enough with words. We have had almost 10 months of them. Just another talker I bet.
I feel that, but to be fair she’s not in a position to do much more than promise at the moment.
I think it’s an encouraging sign that she’s not trying to duck the issue, the way she could. That’s not a guaruntee she’ll take real action, but if she’s distancing herself from Biden on this even before she gets the nomination it’s a good sign.
I think it’s easy to forget just how extreme Biden is on this issue. Harris is your average democrat, but she’s still not ideological like Biden is, most aren’t. Biden went so far as to go around Obama to make promises to Israel when he was VP, I don’t see Harris having that kind of unquestioning desperation to help the right-wing Israeli government.
Thank you for explaining your point of view so well, much appreciated!
Unlike the other guy who lies with every breath he makes she has not given us a reason not to trust her yet…
So don’t even compare its not fair at all.
One is a serial liar, rapist and criminal, and I’m not even exaggerating or being dramatic… just 100% real facts proven in court.
Wake up.
I’d guess they are fully conscious of what they are doing and will happily push America over a cliff for their own sick satification. Ignore them, they are no better then the christo-fascists.
On the contrary, do not ignore them. People base their feeling on the group opinion almost entirely on how often they hear a particular argument. They won’t remember that 90% came from 1 person.
Secondly, unless an idea is actively disagreed with, people (subconsciously) assume you agree with it.
Take every opportunity to disagree with the idiots. You won’t convert them, but you will sow seeds in the minds of those they might be swaying.
It’s a fine line. You don’t want to feed the troll and get yourself frustrated. It may be helpful to rebutt the poster but you should only do it if you can be perfectly infomative and concise. The more you argue with the poster the more onlookers might think both have valid arguments. Most people who are as divisive as seen in the OP have no problem arguing in bad faith. They will move goal post so frequently if you try to defend on all fronts you’ll look like you’re being tossed around.
Point being, general advise, ignore them. More specifically, it’s OK to rebutt them but don’t expect any reflection on their part.
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Lmao do you think lemmy is big enough for people to be paying money to run bots here?
No, I think it’s a perfect place to try out various information warfare strategies and let new trolls get their feet wet before promoting them to Facebook and reddit.
Doesn’t have to be. It’s the best insult to anyone parroting nonsense. You’re basically an AI to us. Ignorable.
I’m not the OP of that comment nor did I express any opinion on the matter but fuck it let’s do this. Your position is, if I understand it correctly, that people who think that a politician, a group of people famous for making empty promises and gestures especially when running for office, might be making empty promises and should not be lauded for what may just be paying lip service to a hot-button issue, are “parroting nonsense” and “basically an AI” to you. I understand that there are constant proven efforts to attempt to convince democratic voters not to vote, but I think that freaking out over any critique of the democratic candidate is frankly unhealthy for both this platform and for democracy at large. I know the stakes for this election, I was going to vote for Biden and I am going to vote for Harris, but just because we live under a fucked up two-party system and we have to fall in line when it comes to voting doesn’t mean we have to fall in line for the dogma as well.
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