• @MetaCubed
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    45 months ago

    I’ll address your source in a moment, but I was more aiming for what socio-political conditions might cause a group like Hamas to decide they need to take the action they have taken.

    Hamas exists due to the (as of today) 3/4 of a century of oppression that the Palestinians have been subjected to as a result of the creation of Israel after WW2. When the was ended, it was decided that the European Jewish population needed a safe region, so the British and Zionists (reminder that Zionists are often christians and that the creation of Israel was a “biblical prophecy”) pushed the Palestinians out of their homes to create Israel, the land for which was forcibly partitioned and claimed as a result of a funded war. Many Palestinians still have the keys for the homes they were forced out of.

    This isnt even detailing the 1967 repartitioning, or the long standing and repeated mistreatment of people within the open air prison that is the Gaza strip and the Palestinian permitted areas of the west bank, or many, many other things.

    Hamas is the result of decades of oppression and dismissal of the Palestinian people.

    Now, regarding your link, yes, this is the 1988 hamas covenant(it was softened a little in 2017) and I dont really care about it in regards to whether or not Israel should be carrying out its actions. I posed this hypothetical to another user but I’ll shorten it to restate it here:

    Hamas has done terrible, terrible things. During WW2, the Nazi’s claimed that the Jewish people had done, or were planning things of a similar nature, in order to justify the “necessity of the holocaust”(not a quote, just wanted to make clear that it wasnt my sentiment). If there were groups of Jewish people who had done things like Hamas has done, would that justify the holocaust? If you answer correctly (correct answer is “no it wouldn’t”) then why do the actions of Hamas seemingly justify the indiscriminate and unceasing killing of Palestinian civilians?

    • @[email protected]
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      15 months ago

      So why the downvote? I made no moral claim to hold ANY stance. Just used the mission statement I found published by Hamas.

      Was my source bad?

      I guess only one thing can be evil at once 🤷

      • @MetaCubed
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        15 months ago

        I genuinely didnt even realize I downvoted in all honesty. Genuine mistake that I’ll remove once I hit post.

        Your source was outdated and asking for, but otherwise accurate. I was asking for what caused them to form, but your source is their (for lack of better words) manifesto. Why they do, but not why why they are.

        • @[email protected]
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          15 months ago

          I see a manifesto as akin to a mission statement. The issues highlighted within are the why. Sorry if I misinterpreted that.