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You’re repeating CIG’s marketing copytext and it contains lots of misleading statements and outright lies. Which goes back to my first point; false advertising. If anything the PR copyext confirms my this.
But the second point is more important. They were given crowdfunding money to deliver two games; 1 single player game and multiplayer game.
Instead they’ve been paying themeslves what is very likely (as per “unofficial” leaks 10% of all revenues goes to the Roberts’ family and there are other senior insiders) opulent compensation for multiple decades.
The single player game is always “2 years away” for over a decade. The multiplayer game has lots of flashy assets, but vast majority of the gameplay is missing and it’s fundamentally not fit for purpose (single server digit ticks in a multiplayer game is not viable). That’s where crowdfunding fraud comes in.
I have tried my best to answer your questions, yet you seem to avoid almost all of mine.
So at least answer me this, which statements that I made are misleading and which statements are lies?
I think your information is vastly outdated because a lot of the things you mentioned before are already in-game or have been tested out by players (including me) in some way.
If anything the PR copyext confirms my this.
My responses were all my own words, I didn’t copy this from anywhere.
As for your second point (crowdfunding fraud) I’m not seeing any of the same red flags that I see with other actual scams where the devs keep most of the money to themselves, barely hire any talent, and eventually release something that’s obviously had little to no effort put into it.
single server digit ticks in a multiplayer game is not viable
I agree, and that’s where Static Server Meshing comes in (which some players have already gotten to test out recently), followed by Dynamic Server Meshing.
Even then it is absolutely possible to find servers with double digit ticks (first server I logged into tonight was one).
CIG has continued to push update after update with major features. I can already play the game as it is now, it’s already enjoyable.
The multiplayer game has lots of flashy assets, but vast majority of the gameplay is missing
I have a feeling you haven’t played the game in a long time, if you’ve even ever played it.
Are you the type of person that will continue to call this a scam even after Squadron 42 releases?
Multiple misleading statements. Engineering is in, server meshing is in “tech preview” - this means nothing. Lies including the bit about the sandworm.
Your response is a direct paraphrasing of CIG/marketing talking points and lies.
I didn’t think you would ever agree regarding crowdfunding. You asked me why I thought star citizen is a scam and I answered you.
I answered you that they were given money to released two games, not to pay Roberts’ family member (including completely unqualified family members) opulent salaries for multiple decades. Not to mention other senior insiders.
Regarding the release of SQ42, if the Roberts family extracted $100+ M for their own benefit before releasing SQ42 after 1.5 decades, this is definitely an example of a scam.
I have no interest in defending CIG but I do have a question that always pops in my mind whenever I see people call this project a scam: did you sue CIG (if you gave them money) or reported them to your national consumer protection agency?
I feel like this would be the most sensible course of action against an obvious scam and a great way to protect your fellow players from being deceived further.
Multiple misleading statements. Engineering is in,
This is not misleading or a lie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BMNFLamZ4w
It is in Arena Commander already, and parts of it are in the PU (I already gave more specific details about this).
server meshing is in “tech preview” - this means nothing.
How does this mean nothing? Players have actually gotten to test server meshing and it was really cool to see. This means that the tech actually exists. They’re not just “misleading” or lying to us about the capabilities of the game. If you’d like I can explain more about what we saw that proves that this isn’t some faked tech capability.
You haven’t been able to explain what capabilities CIG is lying about and, besides the sandworm, anything you have brought up is already in-game or has been tested by players in some way. Which leads me to believe that your information is very much outdated. Or if you’d like, you can explain in more detail why you think they are lying about something rather than essentially saying “It’s a lie because I say it is”.
I didn’t (and don’t) agree that their crowdfunding is a scam… I agreed that server ticks need work, but I explained that it’s definitely possible to find good servers with good server tick rates.
I think, in the end, you and I have very different ideas of what a scam is. Maybe this is because of regional differences where scams are classified in a different way, or maybe it’s just a different way of thinking.
With my understanding of scams I’m not seeing the red flags that you normally see with kickstarters that are actually scams (I’ve already explained what some of those red flags are in a previous comment).
Maybe we can nail down the definition of a “scam” a little better. For instance, is there a specific % of money that a CEO can take from a company before he crosses into scam territory? Are we including the stock that he owns in the company as part of the deciding factory in how much he has “extracted”? Or should we ignore how much that stock is worth entirely from the equation?
I think I could agree with you (or at least understand where you’re coming from) depending on how you define a scam, although how courts legally define a scam would probably be the best way to approach this.
I think we are going in circles here.
You’re repeating CIG’s marketing copytext and it contains lots of misleading statements and outright lies. Which goes back to my first point; false advertising. If anything the PR copyext confirms my this.
But the second point is more important. They were given crowdfunding money to deliver two games; 1 single player game and multiplayer game.
Instead they’ve been paying themeslves what is very likely (as per “unofficial” leaks 10% of all revenues goes to the Roberts’ family and there are other senior insiders) opulent compensation for multiple decades.
The single player game is always “2 years away” for over a decade. The multiplayer game has lots of flashy assets, but vast majority of the gameplay is missing and it’s fundamentally not fit for purpose (single server digit ticks in a multiplayer game is not viable). That’s where crowdfunding fraud comes in.
I have tried my best to answer your questions, yet you seem to avoid almost all of mine.
So at least answer me this, which statements that I made are misleading and which statements are lies?
I think your information is vastly outdated because a lot of the things you mentioned before are already in-game or have been tested out by players (including me) in some way.
My responses were all my own words, I didn’t copy this from anywhere.
As for your second point (crowdfunding fraud) I’m not seeing any of the same red flags that I see with other actual scams where the devs keep most of the money to themselves, barely hire any talent, and eventually release something that’s obviously had little to no effort put into it.
I agree, and that’s where Static Server Meshing comes in (which some players have already gotten to test out recently), followed by Dynamic Server Meshing.
Even then it is absolutely possible to find servers with double digit ticks (first server I logged into tonight was one).
CIG has continued to push update after update with major features. I can already play the game as it is now, it’s already enjoyable.
I have a feeling you haven’t played the game in a long time, if you’ve even ever played it.
Are you the type of person that will continue to call this a scam even after Squadron 42 releases?
Edit: formatting
Multiple misleading statements. Engineering is in, server meshing is in “tech preview” - this means nothing. Lies including the bit about the sandworm.
Your response is a direct paraphrasing of CIG/marketing talking points and lies.
I didn’t think you would ever agree regarding crowdfunding. You asked me why I thought star citizen is a scam and I answered you.
I answered you that they were given money to released two games, not to pay Roberts’ family member (including completely unqualified family members) opulent salaries for multiple decades. Not to mention other senior insiders.
Regarding the release of SQ42, if the Roberts family extracted $100+ M for their own benefit before releasing SQ42 after 1.5 decades, this is definitely an example of a scam.
I have no interest in defending CIG but I do have a question that always pops in my mind whenever I see people call this project a scam: did you sue CIG (if you gave them money) or reported them to your national consumer protection agency?
I feel like this would be the most sensible course of action against an obvious scam and a great way to protect your fellow players from being deceived further.
This is not misleading or a lie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BMNFLamZ4w It is in Arena Commander already, and parts of it are in the PU (I already gave more specific details about this).
How does this mean nothing? Players have actually gotten to test server meshing and it was really cool to see. This means that the tech actually exists. They’re not just “misleading” or lying to us about the capabilities of the game. If you’d like I can explain more about what we saw that proves that this isn’t some faked tech capability.
You haven’t been able to explain what capabilities CIG is lying about and, besides the sandworm, anything you have brought up is already in-game or has been tested by players in some way. Which leads me to believe that your information is very much outdated. Or if you’d like, you can explain in more detail why you think they are lying about something rather than essentially saying “It’s a lie because I say it is”.
I didn’t (and don’t) agree that their crowdfunding is a scam… I agreed that server ticks need work, but I explained that it’s definitely possible to find good servers with good server tick rates.
I think, in the end, you and I have very different ideas of what a scam is. Maybe this is because of regional differences where scams are classified in a different way, or maybe it’s just a different way of thinking.
With my understanding of scams I’m not seeing the red flags that you normally see with kickstarters that are actually scams (I’ve already explained what some of those red flags are in a previous comment).
Maybe we can nail down the definition of a “scam” a little better. For instance, is there a specific % of money that a CEO can take from a company before he crosses into scam territory? Are we including the stock that he owns in the company as part of the deciding factory in how much he has “extracted”? Or should we ignore how much that stock is worth entirely from the equation?
I think I could agree with you (or at least understand where you’re coming from) depending on how you define a scam, although how courts legally define a scam would probably be the best way to approach this.