I saw this post today on Reddit and was curious to see if views are similar here as they are there.

  1. What are the best benefits of self-hosting?
  2. What do you wish you would have known as a beginner starting out?
  3. What resources do you know of to help a non-computer-scientist/engineer get started in self-hosting?
  • mesamuneEnglish
    1•4 months ago

    https://old.reddit.com/r/webdev/comments/1boz5ne/vultr_new_tos_claims_all_commercial_rights_to/ " You hereby grant to Vultr a non-exclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, fully paid-up, worldwide license (including the right to sublicense through multiple tiers) to use, reproduce, process, adapt, publicly perform, publicly display, modify, prepare derivative works, publish, transmit and distribute each of your User Content, or any portion thereof, in any form, medium or distribution method now known or hereafter existing, known or developed, and otherwise use and commercialize the User Content in any way that Vultr deems appropriate, without any further consent, notice and/or compensation to you or to any third parties, for purposes of providing the Services to you."

    And you could not opt out. You had to click agree in order to login. That’s the biggest one.

    It was later removed after the fact but there were other changes that sucked.

    • Encrypt-KeeperEnglish
      1•4 months ago

      That only applies to posts on their forums. Not the content on your VPS

      • mesamuneEnglish
        0•4 months ago

        Nope. It’s the content.

        • Encrypt-KeeperEnglish
          1•4 months ago

          Incorrect. It applies only to the forums. It does not apply in any way, shape, or form to your VPS or the content on it. It’s one thing to be mistaken, but let’s not spread misinformation on purpose.

          A Reddit post incorrectly took portions of our Terms of Service out of context, which only pertain to content provided to Vultr on our public mediums (community-related content on public forums, as an example) for purposes of rendering the needed services – e.g., publishing comments, posts, or ratings. This is separate from a user’s own, private content that is deployed on Vultr services.

          Since our inception, Vultr has been committed to upholding and adhering to the strictest data privacy and protection standards across the world (including HIPAA, GDPR, and DPDPA). Our customers own 100% of their content.

            • Encrypt-KeeperEnglish
              0•4 months ago

              I don’t think you read the TOS. I think you read the out of context snippet and assumed that it applied to your VPS. They removed that bit because it was confusing, not because it was not limited.

              Being forced to agree to a TOS change without an opt out is scummy, but that’s not limited to Vultr. Companies are not out there with multiple versions of TOS based on what people agree to or not. At that point you’re better off not using a VPS.

              • mesamuneEnglish
                0•4 months ago

                Welp I’m an anonymous person on the Internet so you can believe what you want. I could say that my job is literally mass deploying servers (devops) but if you don’t believe me that I said that I read it then I’m not sure what we can agree on.

                Let’s just stop while we are both ahead. It’s a Thursday, good day for coffee yeah? Hope you have a good day.

    • mesamuneEnglish
      1•4 months ago

      I had customer data as well as some personal stuff on a couple of servers. It was low hanging fruit so I just started self hosting. It’s silly how much rights they suddenly wanted. Not worth the hassle, they just provide basic boxes to begin with.

      They also would not let you login without accepting those new rights now were you able to opt out. So I just threw my infa on some local systems, deleted everything and then had to say yes to their TOS. Again silly and great way to lose business.