• @Crismus
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    Why do the democrat leadership always push for right-wing causes, when they aren’t in the Republican Party for a reason?

    • mozz
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      “Democrat leadership”

      Fascinating

      • @Crismus
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        The person being nominated is considered the leader of the party. At least it has for as long asbI can remember. Number 2, while I understand she may not have said those exact words, Biden’s border bill is basically a Republican bill that only was killed to make Democrats look bad.

        Tightening the amnesty and refugee quotas won’t make it better. Acknowledging that this whole border crisis is manufactured would do more.

        Fox and the rest love to lie about how much asylum seekers get paid, bur will never give that money to the people that they promote are missing out.

        Finally, moving to the right is normal campaign strategy, but there was no push to the left during the Primary stage. This is just going from center right to more right. Because Biden never was on the left.

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            The bill in question gave billions to ICE, CPB, US martials, and others to hire more officers and increase detention capacity.

            If the purpose of the bill was to process immigrants so they could legally stay in the country and get jobs with papers and all, they wouldn’t spend billions building cages for the immigrants in the country or shut the border down, making things worse for the ones already stuck outside the border.

            • mozz
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              The bill in question gave billions to ICE, CPB,

              True

              US martials

              I feel like this part isn’t true. Is this true? Idk, maybe it is.

              hire more officers

              True

              and increase detention capacity

              Interesting that you don’t like this

              I talked way up at the top of the thread about more details of what’s going on at the border and why the bill is the way that it is. I would ask you the same thing I asked before: What should Biden/Harris do?

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                I feel like this part isn’t true. Is this true? Idk, maybe it is.

                I linked the bill, page 64

                64 SEN. APPRO.

                1UNITED STATES MARSHALS SERVICE

                2FEDERAL PRISONER DETENTION For an additional amount for ‘‘United States Mar-

                3shals Service—Federal Prisoner Detention’’,

                4$210,000,000, to remain available until expended, for de-

                5tention costs due to enforcement activities along the south-

                6ern and northern borders

                What should Biden/Harris do?

                If you find yourself in control of the machine that crushes orphans, your primary concern shouldn’t be making sure it has all the resources it needs to function.

                Appoint a head of ICE who will fire every single officer and sell off or destroy every asset. Any remaining budget can be used to process claims and arrange housing/job placement for immigrants.

                End all economic warfare and other hostile actions against Caribbean/Central/South American countries. You can’t torpedo Mexico’s economy via NAFTA, and ask why you’re getting a flood of Mexicans, then torpedo Venezuela’s economy via sanctions and ask why you’re getting a flood of Venezuelans, torpedo Nicaragua’s economy via coup, etc.

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                  4$210,000,000, to remain available until expended,

                  Ah, got it. Fair play.

                  Appoint a head of ICE who will fire every single officer and sell off or destroy every asset.

                  He tries, congress and the courts say no because that’s not how that works. (Just as they did for way more reasonable things than this that he tried to order to have happen. That’s the whole thing with Project 2025 is to undo the guard rails that prevent presidents from simply making massive changes to the system on a whim.)

                  What should he try next?

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                    He can tell the courts to fuck off, and as far as congress goes, he only needs 50%+1 in the senate to approve an appointment, and he’s more than capable of whipping that vote given that the organization that sends migrants to camps is unpopular among dem constituents.

      • @return2ozmaOP
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        Do they not tend to move towards the right during election years Mozz?

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          He’s pointing out that using “Democrat” as an adjective is a weirdly Republican thing to do.

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            Specifically, when I did some real analysis on the question, less than 10% of lemmy posters who talk about Democrats do it by saying “Democrat” as an adjective, and there’s significant overlap between those posters and the posters that are saying that people shouldn’t support the Democrats (claiming that the Democrats aren’t far left enough to deserve support from the left).

            Why is that? IDK, man, it’s a mystery. I can draw a up a little diagram for you; maybe we can figure out the mystery together.

          • @return2ozmaOP
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            A lot of Americans even get the Democratic/Democrat verbiage wrong so implying they’re not American is… meh?

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              A lot of conservative Americans, yes, and almost no one else

              That’s what makes it so fascinating

          • @[email protected]
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            Addressing the causes of the influxes (supporting terrorists/coups any time a south American country elects someone left of hitler) in the long term, and the actual migrants in a humane way by letting asylum seekers into the country until their claims can be addressed as international law requires, and providing job placement and housing all migrants need, instead of throwing them in cages.

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                Except that’s not at all what the bill does, it’s spending billions increasing detention capacity, hiring more ICE agents, border surveillance, and allows the president to close the border entirely.

                This is everything the republicans wanted.

          • @Ensign_Crab
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            No, you don’t get it. Any apparent move to the right is ackshually a move to the left because not Trump. If you disagree, it’s because [veiled accusation that you’re a scary foreigner or a Republican].