• Aatube
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    271 month ago

    OP, just call them “unpaid volunteers”, jeez.

    • lnxtx
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      151 month ago

      “Volunteers” are unpaid by the definition.

      • @[email protected]
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        31 month ago

        Not always, in military contexts it’s used to differentiate between conscripted and those who voluntarily applied.

    • @woelkchen
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      31 month ago

      OP, just call them “unpaid volunteers”, jeez.

      If that was for a non-profit community-driven organization, what would be the correct term. Framework, however, is a regular for-profit company that is looking for people to promote their commercial products.

      • Aatube
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        81 month ago

        I just really hate clickbait titles when you could easily put your clickbait in the description.

        This isn’t a program to get people to go to conferences and rep Framework, it’s a program to give people who are already going to conferences and showing off their Framework some swag and opportunities to talk with the team. It’s not assigning work, it’s just saying thank you to people who are excited about Framework and active in the Linux community.

        They already have volunteers for this cause of repairable products they believe in, hence looking for volunteers.

        • @woelkchen
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          31 month ago

          Those “ambassadors” are expected to take appointments via social media to show off the hardware and answer questions. That’s a job.

          • Aatube
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            01 month ago

            No? The only thing ambassadors will be required to do on social media is to list the events they’ll be attending.

            • @woelkchen
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              Fist: Yes. "Where do I find the ambassadors in an event? Please reach out to the ambassadors on their social media if you have trouble locating them at events.

              As an event attendee, what can I get from meeting an ambassador? You can get your questions answered, share your feedback, and get Framework stickers and other goodies. In case you haven’t before, you will also get to see a Framework Laptop in person."

              It’s written down black on white: ambassadors need to be available on social media to schedule a meeting, reply to questions, and hand out “stickers and other goodies” (=those aren’t even for the ambassadors to keep).

              Second: so there are, by your own admission, requirements tied to getting some stickers.

              That’s a job. It’s not a full time job but it most certainly is a job.

              • Pika
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                21 month ago

                please reach out to your ambassadors on social media

                That != “ambassadors are required to reply”

                I expect it’s layout is much like twitchcon, where you could reach out to your content creators for questions and meetups, but there is no obligation to respond.

                In the case of this, these people already were attending regardless, so it’s not like they wouldn’t want to mix and mingle via social media as is.

                • @woelkchen
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                  11 month ago

                  So they have to make their social media profiles public, open up their DMs but replying to those DMs is supposedly optional? Where does it say that in the FAQ?

                  • Pika
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                    where does it say it’s mandatory? It’s only stating things that they would have done regardless, I see nowhere where it says ambassadors are required to. The only requirement I saw was that they need to state what events they will be present at, and that’s only so they can distribute the items(primarily stickers) that they supplied the ambassadors and to actually use the program.

                    It seems like your typical enthusiast volunteer program if you ask me.

                    edit: rereading it they also reiterate that fact

                    Thanks for sharing your concern. We definitely don’t want anyone to go out of their way to represent us. There are individuals who are already chatting with other event attendees, sharing their own experience with Framework Laptops and answering questions at various events without any affiliation to us, and we just want to get in touch with them. I guess “showcase” was the wrong word here. We are looking for ambassadors who would show what a Framework Laptop looks like to others who are interested. We are definitely not looking for a laptop salesperson. Hope this makes sense.

        • @[email protected]
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          21 month ago

          Exactly. If I was in that situation and Framework tried to pay me, I’d be offended. If they instead gave me an inside track on what’s going on, I’d be stoked. The difference between an employee and a volunteer is the obligations attached.