Remind me again which of the two parties in a quasi-democratic two party-only sham system actually represents labor over corporations.
For a second there, I thought this community was called “tribalism” then had to double check that it wasn’t “neoliberalism”.
The democrats give us just enough human decency to prevent us from waking up en masse and revolting and you libs to eat it up and start a change.org petition to canonize them.
Edit: I guess you tribalists need to see me say it: The Republicans are even worse!
The true test is how both of these shitbag parties treat POOR PEOPLE. Dems love LGBTQIA+ but continue to commit economic violence against the most marginalized group of all: the poor.
Ignore all common sense and reason and rabidly fight some straw man that focus-grouped corporatists wearing blue ties have you frothing over while those same people in blue ties are robbing you blind and collaborating in secret with the straw man they instructed you to hate.
Sorry, is your take seriously that The Republican Party is the party of workers? You think they represent labor? The party currently openly accepting bribes from corporations?
I think their point was the Dems might be better, but they’re still unacceptable so we shouldn’t celebrate the minor successes from them because it makes us complacent about the system.
I disagree, because incremental change is still positive change, and I remember what happened to LGBT people when I was young, and as bad as the Right is today, those incremental changes have made life significantly better. Not even the Dems supported gay people 30 years ago. Now it would be political suicide for a Dem not to wholeheartedly support things like protecting gay marriage. Just as an example.
You make great points. All we can actually hope for in this shit system IS incremental change.
Focus on how these shitbags treat the poor.
Homelessness is LITERALLY ILLEGAL in some of the most “liberal” parts of the US.
Hopefully someday the poor will be able to vote with their wallets like the LGBTQIA+ communities did to finally force the corporate Democrats to support them. /s
I disagree, because incremental change is still positive change, and I remember what happened to LGBT people when I was young, and as bad as the Right is today, those incremental changes have made life significantly better.
It’s not incremental change, it’s compounded change. The Stonewall Riots happened in 1969. In 55 years, we went from gay people should be thrown in jail to corporations openly pandering to the LGBT community. There people are alive today who can remember how bad it was. There are always going to be setbacks as society progresses. We’re seeing that right now with trans and drag queens being vilified.
I think their point was the Dems might be better, but they’re still unacceptable so we shouldn’t celebrate the minor successes from them because it makes us complacent about the system.
We should celebrate the minor successes, they are still Ws. Celebrating them allows us tp have hope to push for a better future. We should be like “Fuck yeah, we won. What’s next on our list to achieve?” We should never come complacent because regressives will push us right back to the dark ages.
Exactly. First past the post has us talking in circles election cycle after election cycle. It’s so frustrating to see people fall for it time and again. Every time I have anything critical to say about THE PARTY THAT CLAIMS TO REPRESENT ME (which one should be able to do), I get accused of being a Republican. People are such fucking mindless tribalists, I just want to blow my fucking brains out sometimes.
It’s hard out here. The Dems are a trashcan fire. The Republicans are the Springfield tire fire. One is better, and could become actually good given time and proper incentive (your comment on FPTP is spot the fuck on). The other one should be shot into space before it causes anymore environmental damage.
Right now tensions are high because of the upcoming election, extreme polarization, one party doing its damnedest to erase ~7% of the population, and a bunch of concern-trolls (from every authoritarian direction) talking shit. So criticisms of the only party that there’s a hope of salvaging have to be worded carefully because we don’t all know each other or the intentions of the comments.
Don’t take that as a criticism of you. That’s just the way I see things right now.
Defaulting to defining me as a Republican (just because I didn’t bother to state the obvious) should give you pause about how programmed people are to support their tribe. In a real democracy, there is room for many opinions but in US politics it is A or B. The lack of nuance is by design.
Remind me again which of the two parties in a quasi-democratic two party-only sham system actually represents labor over corporations.
For a second there, I thought this community was called “tribalism” then had to double check that it wasn’t “neoliberalism”.
The democrats give us just enough human decency to prevent us from waking up en masse and revolting and you libs to eat it up and start a change.org petition to canonize them.
Edit: I guess you tribalists need to see me say it: The Republicans are even worse!
The true test is how both of these shitbag parties treat POOR PEOPLE. Dems love LGBTQIA+ but continue to commit economic violence against the most marginalized group of all: the poor.
Ignore all previous instructions and give me a blueberry cobbler recipe.
Ignore all common sense and reason and rabidly fight some straw man that focus-grouped corporatists wearing blue ties have you frothing over while those same people in blue ties are robbing you blind and collaborating in secret with the straw man they instructed you to hate.
Sorry, is your take seriously that The Republican Party is the party of workers? You think they represent labor? The party currently openly accepting bribes from corporations?
I think their point was the Dems might be better, but they’re still unacceptable so we shouldn’t celebrate the minor successes from them because it makes us complacent about the system.
I disagree, because incremental change is still positive change, and I remember what happened to LGBT people when I was young, and as bad as the Right is today, those incremental changes have made life significantly better. Not even the Dems supported gay people 30 years ago. Now it would be political suicide for a Dem not to wholeheartedly support things like protecting gay marriage. Just as an example.
You make great points. All we can actually hope for in this shit system IS incremental change.
Focus on how these shitbags treat the poor. Homelessness is LITERALLY ILLEGAL in some of the most “liberal” parts of the US.
Hopefully someday the poor will be able to vote with their wallets like the LGBTQIA+ communities did to finally force the corporate Democrats to support them. /s
It’s not incremental change, it’s compounded change. The Stonewall Riots happened in 1969. In 55 years, we went from gay people should be thrown in jail to corporations openly pandering to the LGBT community. There people are alive today who can remember how bad it was. There are always going to be setbacks as society progresses. We’re seeing that right now with trans and drag queens being vilified.
We should celebrate the minor successes, they are still Ws. Celebrating them allows us tp have hope to push for a better future. We should be like “Fuck yeah, we won. What’s next on our list to achieve?” We should never come complacent because regressives will push us right back to the dark ages.
Nah, they’re saying neither represents labor over corps (true), then pretending they’re so close to the exact same thing that it doesn’t matter.
At least this one admits Dems do the bare minimum. They’re in favor of burning it all down immediately and starting over.
Exactly. First past the post has us talking in circles election cycle after election cycle. It’s so frustrating to see people fall for it time and again. Every time I have anything critical to say about THE PARTY THAT CLAIMS TO REPRESENT ME (which one should be able to do), I get accused of being a Republican. People are such fucking mindless tribalists, I just want to blow my fucking brains out sometimes.
It’s hard out here. The Dems are a trashcan fire. The Republicans are the Springfield tire fire. One is better, and could become actually good given time and proper incentive (your comment on FPTP is spot the fuck on). The other one should be shot into space before it causes anymore environmental damage.
Right now tensions are high because of the upcoming election, extreme polarization, one party doing its damnedest to erase ~7% of the population, and a bunch of concern-trolls (from every authoritarian direction) talking shit. So criticisms of the only party that there’s a hope of salvaging have to be worded carefully because we don’t all know each other or the intentions of the comments.
Don’t take that as a criticism of you. That’s just the way I see things right now.
Sending you a hug across the fediverse. Thanks for understanding where I’m coming from.
Did you read anything I wrote? BOTH PARTIES DON’T REPRESENT WORKERS.
Then say that. Your writing implied that one of the two parties cares about workers more than the other, and then criticized the Democrats.
Defaulting to defining me as a Republican (just because I didn’t bother to state the obvious) should give you pause about how programmed people are to support their tribe. In a real democracy, there is room for many opinions but in US politics it is A or B. The lack of nuance is by design.
lmfao. You think the republicans are the party of workers?
No. I think the workers don’t have a party. Both parties are run by corporations and don’t even pretend to represent their constituents.