• @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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    7 months ago

    Make it 2 classes, open and restricted.

    Clear rules on who is allowed in the restricted class.

    Edit People down voting, do you not want a restricted class?

    • @Veneroso
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      107 months ago

      When it’s a cis woman you’re worried about against other cis women? No? I’m starting to think that we should have civics tests to use the Internet…

      • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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        -127 months ago

        It seems that, going forward, a stricter definition and (private and respectful) testing of cis categorisation would reduce the pain and suffering (from armchair commentators like ourselves) of all future competitors at top levels of womens sports.

        • @Veneroso
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          87 months ago

          Umm is the person in the correct weight class for this event? Yes. Okay next!

          • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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            -47 months ago

            For the “men’s” event, yes. Weight is the only restriction. Women should be able to fight in the men’s event if they qualify.

            For the women’s classification there must be a clear line drawn somewhere between “has given birth” and “changed their name to Sue”.

            (I have no preference exactly where that line is drawn)

            • Flying Squid
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              67 months ago

              The youngest Olympian this year is a 12-year-old from China competing as a skateboarder. The youngest ever was an 11-year-old who competed in gymnastics.

              Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test?

              Why do you think women need to be protected by having to prove they’re women? Do you really not get that tons of women would be discouraged from competing if they felt they had to satisfy some white knight’s genetic criteria?

              • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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                7 months ago

                Should we be letting those young girls know whether or not they count as girls through some sort of unspecified genetic test?

                If there is no gender advantage there is no need.

                Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation?

                Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything. There needs to be a clear line otherwise these arguments will continue to occur.

                • Flying Squid
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                  37 months ago

                  If there is no gender advantage there is no need.

                  So there’s no need?

                  Do you want to go further and say for skateboarding and gymnastics there should be no segregation?

                  So there is a need?

                  Women do need segregation, for saftey more than anything.

                  Women do not need your protection, nor have they asked for it.

                  • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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                    07 months ago

                    Of course woman need the protection of their sporting governing bodies. That’s their job.

        • Flying Squid
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          67 months ago

          Do tell us what makes a woman a real woman.

          • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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            -47 months ago

            That is an excellent question that the Olympic committee should answer clearly and definitively.

            • Flying Squid
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              37 months ago

              You are the one claiming she’s not a real woman. It’s up to you to define it.

              They already have an answer, you just don’t like it.

              • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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                -27 months ago

                I’ve not claimed anything about any individual.

                I’m saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event. The Olympic Committee need a better answer to avoid similar discussions in the future.

                • Flying Squid
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                  27 months ago

                  Fine. What is the test they should use? You don’t like their criteria, so what should the criteria be?

                  • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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                    17 months ago

                    The test should be repeatable, definitive and standardised.

                    It should also satisfy the majority of members of that governing body.

                • @[email protected]
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                  17 months ago

                  I’m saying that a male/female checkbox on a passport is an inadequate test for a top level sporting event.

                  Why does there need to be a test?

    • @Irrational_exuberance
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      -47 months ago

      Whatever the decision is the Olympic committee should make it and not run away from contested issues.

      • @Veneroso
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        67 months ago

        What is contested about a cis woman boxer boxing cis women?

          • Flying Squid
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            27 months ago

            Weirdly, the only people who seem to find it inadequate are the people who just can’t accept Ms. Khelif is a woman who can box other women.

            • @Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In
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              -17 months ago

              It is inadequate because what is written on a piece of paper can be different in reality.

              An intersex person is unlikely to have that listed on their passport.

              • Flying Squid
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                37 months ago

                Again, it seems like the only people who find it inadequate are people like you who think women need the protection of people with penises from other people with penises when this is not something most female athletes want.

                But hey, you know what’s best for women, right? They shouldn’t worry their pretty little heads about it.

                  • Flying Squid
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                    07 months ago

                    See my other comment about me thinking you’re a troll. This is not helping.