I’ve been saying that for years, but everyone said I was nuts. You can’t solve anything in capitalism. If money and consumerism are your only goals, that can’t solve anything. Best you can do is patch… and that’s about it. There is no money in long term solutions.
Well you can. You just have to make the things you don’t like more expensive.
The problem is that US laws are written by the rich, and the rich don’t care.
…so I guess there is a capitalist government, which doesn’t work. But in theory a good government and otherwise capitalist society could work. But this sort of sounds like socialism with extra steps.
That is also patching a deep seeded problem - seing everything through monetary perspective. That will also stop working at some point.
I’m just saying that things like the Venus Project are the way to go if we wanna make a sustainable future. Combine that with socialisam and you can get a society that actually cares about humans, as well as everythin esle living on this earth. But, it has to be done on a global scale, while we’re still divided in countries, that is not gonna work as well.
Alas, even if we don’t do anything, the earth will be fine, no problem there, she’s survived a lot worse than us. We are the ones thatbare fucked!
It is useful to have a common motivator. If you don’t like something tax it, if you do like something subsidize/pay for it. I think that is one of the big questions to answer with other systems. If we remove money as a motivator (or at least greatly reduce its value) what will replace it? There will always be greedy people, even if most people can live comfortably. What will be used to motivate them to the common good?
Reeducation. Take back in moral values as real values, not something that is just admired on paper. Educate them from a very early age that if you prosper, everyone else prospers as well, if you work hard and everyone else works hard, the system works, if not, it doesn’t. If you embed these values in people, they will grow, it just takes time.
The problem is, people unite and decide to change things only when faced with grave danger. By that point, it might already be too late… but, I guess we’ll see what the future holds.
How would you know, have you ever lived in a socialist society? I have and I can tell you first hand, capitalism is so much worse. The problem is that everyone around is capitalist, and yes, you can’t compete with that (tech development and things like that) or you can, but it’s really hard. There are way to mitigate these discrepencies though, it just takes a lot of effort.
Take a look at the Venus Project, you might like that as well.
I don’t understand the reason for the downvotes. Explain your point instead of downvoting. By the way, I’m from a country (social context) full of Venezuelans and many people from Cuba and Nicaragua. They know what happens with this kind of approach.
Regarding your point, what you said about competing with capitalism in terms of technological development is interesting. So maybe, in my opinion and being open to what you have to say, we need better alternatives.
I didn’t downvote you BTW, I never downvote, I either upvote or don’t vote at all.
Socialism as a regieme, for one, doesn’t have a bad name like communism does, and two, has been tried, but in a lot fewer countries than communism has. So, regarding that, I get why many liberal americans are pro socialism, but against communism (even though, there aren’t that many differences, except tye authorotorian nature of communism, but they already have that with their corps, just too blind to actually see it).
As I said, I’ve lived in both socialism and capitalism (no one ever notices that the first one is a socio-economic order, but the second one is just an economic order 🤔 😁, the social order is democracy 😂), and socialism was a lot better from a lot of aspects. Sure, it wasn’t perfect, there are things that can be made better, but than again, nothing is perfect. What I do firmly believe though is that socialism combined with something like the Venus Project, can make foundations for a great society that actually values human life and everything alive on this earth.
Um, you can have mixed economies that combine aspects of capitalism and socialism, there are several European countries that are doing decent with it. The rampant overconsumption mindset amongst the population, anti consumer behavior from businesses, and government corruption/apathy are some of the biggest issues in the US. Social programs and safetynets along with stricter advertising rules would help steer us into a better direction.
I’ve been saying that for years, but everyone said I was nuts. You can’t solve anything in capitalism. If money and consumerism are your only goals, that can’t solve anything. Best you can do is patch… and that’s about it. There is no money in long term solutions.
Well you can. You just have to make the things you don’t like more expensive.
The problem is that US laws are written by the rich, and the rich don’t care.
…so I guess there is a capitalist government, which doesn’t work. But in theory a good government and otherwise capitalist society could work. But this sort of sounds like socialism with extra steps.
That is also patching a deep seeded problem - seing everything through monetary perspective. That will also stop working at some point.
I’m just saying that things like the Venus Project are the way to go if we wanna make a sustainable future. Combine that with socialisam and you can get a society that actually cares about humans, as well as everythin esle living on this earth. But, it has to be done on a global scale, while we’re still divided in countries, that is not gonna work as well.
Alas, even if we don’t do anything, the earth will be fine, no problem there, she’s survived a lot worse than us. We are the ones thatbare fucked!
It is useful to have a common motivator. If you don’t like something tax it, if you do like something subsidize/pay for it. I think that is one of the big questions to answer with other systems. If we remove money as a motivator (or at least greatly reduce its value) what will replace it? There will always be greedy people, even if most people can live comfortably. What will be used to motivate them to the common good?
Reeducation. Take back in moral values as real values, not something that is just admired on paper. Educate them from a very early age that if you prosper, everyone else prospers as well, if you work hard and everyone else works hard, the system works, if not, it doesn’t. If you embed these values in people, they will grow, it just takes time.
The problem is, people unite and decide to change things only when faced with grave danger. By that point, it might already be too late… but, I guess we’ll see what the future holds.
The problem is, socialism is worst. We have no choice. I heard about new autosustentable communities… I would like to know more about it
How would you know, have you ever lived in a socialist society? I have and I can tell you first hand, capitalism is so much worse. The problem is that everyone around is capitalist, and yes, you can’t compete with that (tech development and things like that) or you can, but it’s really hard. There are way to mitigate these discrepencies though, it just takes a lot of effort.
Take a look at the Venus Project, you might like that as well.
I don’t understand the reason for the downvotes. Explain your point instead of downvoting. By the way, I’m from a country (social context) full of Venezuelans and many people from Cuba and Nicaragua. They know what happens with this kind of approach.
Regarding your point, what you said about competing with capitalism in terms of technological development is interesting. So maybe, in my opinion and being open to what you have to say, we need better alternatives.
I didn’t downvote you BTW, I never downvote, I either upvote or don’t vote at all.
Socialism as a regieme, for one, doesn’t have a bad name like communism does, and two, has been tried, but in a lot fewer countries than communism has. So, regarding that, I get why many liberal americans are pro socialism, but against communism (even though, there aren’t that many differences, except tye authorotorian nature of communism, but they already have that with their corps, just too blind to actually see it).
As I said, I’ve lived in both socialism and capitalism (no one ever notices that the first one is a socio-economic order, but the second one is just an economic order 🤔 😁, the social order is democracy 😂), and socialism was a lot better from a lot of aspects. Sure, it wasn’t perfect, there are things that can be made better, but than again, nothing is perfect. What I do firmly believe though is that socialism combined with something like the Venus Project, can make foundations for a great society that actually values human life and everything alive on this earth.
Um, you can have mixed economies that combine aspects of capitalism and socialism, there are several European countries that are doing decent with it. The rampant overconsumption mindset amongst the population, anti consumer behavior from businesses, and government corruption/apathy are some of the biggest issues in the US. Social programs and safetynets along with stricter advertising rules would help steer us into a better direction.