So, if self-cannibalism of lab grown meat is allowed, then cannibalism of lab grown meat (so cells from other people) would also be allowed.
Think of how we treat other sources of animal derived foods, it’s pretty shitty and cruel treatment. In this case, the person chooses to eat self sourced or other person sourced lab grown meat because eating a real person would be murder, and cutting themselves up would be physical self harm.
The question is what is the underlying psychological justification for them deciding to eat lab grown human meat. Is it that they’re avoiding physical pain and murder? Lab grown animal meat is there to substitute for animal meat. But what’s the justification for lab grown human meat? Novelty? Taste? Psychological issues? How do we trust this persons judgement for themselves and others?
The issue is that human societies veered away from cannibalism for social issues, and so how do we trust those people who would engage in some form of cannibalism, even if it’s their own lab grown cells.
I fail to see how we treat meat animals as relevant. No ones going to be caged and mistreated because there’s no reason to.
The fact you’re eating human meat isn’t enough to cause psychological issues when no one was harmed, and the idea that it does is fucking laughable.
Unless someone is actually mistreated, which again no practical reason to, as getting a microscopic sample to grow from is harmless. Where would this psychological damage come from? Because it would remind us of the animals we did kill and eat? That’s fucking goofy. The psychological harm of cannibalism IS FROM THE PHYSICAL HARM BEING DONE TO THE OTHER PERSON. NOTHING ELSE. THATS IT.
Eating something that harmlessly grew from my body isn’t going to impose psychological damage, nor does it imply I lack empathy for myself or those around me.
There’s ethically no difference between eating your own lab grown meat, and eating your own boogers. There’s ethically no difference between someone eating your own lab grown meat, and someone eating your boogers.
It doesn’t automatically put me in the same class as livestock. I’m not undermining my humanity, nor does it mean I don’t care for myself. Your hang ups are your own. Get the fuck over yourself.
This almost reminds me of the weird psychosexual hangups incels have but for vegans. Imposing meaning where there is none, Jesus fucking Christ dude.
No, not actively remind. But the justifications we used to treat animals the way we do. Like, it’s okay to eat animals because they can’t fight back, or think or speak like we do etc. Or animals are not conscious the way we are conscious.
What’s makes you think someone eating lab grown muscle cells will stop there? Maybe they’ll want to eat brain because brain is a delicacy in many cultures. People eat cow and goat brains all the time. What if they grow a “person” to harvest all the organs efficiently? At what point do we say someone is conscious or not?
Heck, what if someone who hates you decides that they’ll secretly harvest your cells and grow you to eat your clones? Or maybe they’ll make sex slaves out of your clones? Clones are distinct entities because of epigenetic expression, so it’ll never be “you”. But the point remains. Is it okay to eat clones?
So the argument comes to the idea why someone wants to eat humans? What’s going on in their brains that they would like to do this? How can communities or other people trust someone who thinks like that
Cloning a meat steak and cloning functional human being are two wildly different things, and only one of those is really possible with anything near modern tech. Hell cloning brain meat and cloning an actually working brain are two very different things.
This is like if the atf treated slingshots as machine guns.
If you’re one step removed from something society actively discourages, and just by advent of technology, then people who have more power and less impulse control will indulge in the real thing. From my pov, indulging in eating human flesh via lab grown meat is the same as indulging in being a pedo via ai gen child porn. I could be wrong, but I think it would be interesting to brain scan people who want to eat human flesh to understand how and why they’re overcoming millions of years of evolutionary impulses
I think it would be interesting to brain scan people who want to eat human flesh to understand how and why they’re overcoming millions of years of evolutionary impulses
Yeah everyone who disagrees with you has something wrong with their head. That’s totally not lazy, and definitely not ableist in the slightest.
Remember what I said about incels? Its like this weird obsession with arm-chair pseudo-biology. What next, your going to tell me who I fuck and why determines my place in some nebulous social hierarchy? “Overcoming millions of year of biology”, no you’ve just got your head so far up your ass you forgot what bullshit smelt like.
Comparing growing your own meat to a pedophile cranking one out to ai generated photos is a false equivalence and hard. If nothing else, the adult being sampled can consent. The children who’s pictures where used as training data can’t.
If you’re one step removed from something society actively discourages, and just by advent of technology, then people who have more power and less impulse control will indulge in the real thing.
If someone wants to commit to cannibalism they’ll do it anyway. This is a shit take, and a slippery slope at that. Even if that where true, the answer is to do away with capitalism and social hierarchy, not tech that could potentially help to solve hunger.
I’m sorry being a vegan won’t make you a better person than the rest of us once this rolls around. I know that must hurt your ego.
I don’t care about the disagreement, it’s about the fact that some people want to eat human flesh.
It doesn’t matter what the source of the human flesh is in this case because I think the point is more what is motivating these people to that action.
Regarding vegans, technically they are “better” people as a study showed they had higher levels of empathy. But of course, wouldn’t hurt to have more data either way. Regardless, that doesn’t necessarily imply that omnis or carnis are “bad” people.
Also, I am not sure you know what the term false equivalency means. How am I making a false equivalency?
I don’t care about the disagreement, it’s about the fact that some people want to eat human flesh.
Well if that where true, you wouldn’t have replied would you? Literally the disagreement is about said human flesh. To some extent you care.
It doesn’t matter what the source of the human flesh is in this case because I think the point is more what is motivating these people to that action.
Personally? I want an ethical meat alternative. I have sensory issues with food. I would love to switch to a mostly or entirely vegan diet, but the textures of a lot of plant-based foods fucking throw me. I hate it. I wish I wasn’t like that, but I am.
Using your own sample to grow your own meat is inherently the most ethical way to eat meat. I’m not doing psychological damage to myself by doing so, you’ve no reason to think I would be.
So, if self-cannibalism of lab grown meat is allowed, then cannibalism of lab grown meat (so cells from other people) would also be allowed.
Think of how we treat other sources of animal derived foods, it’s pretty shitty and cruel treatment. In this case, the person chooses to eat self sourced or other person sourced lab grown meat because eating a real person would be murder, and cutting themselves up would be physical self harm.
The question is what is the underlying psychological justification for them deciding to eat lab grown human meat. Is it that they’re avoiding physical pain and murder? Lab grown animal meat is there to substitute for animal meat. But what’s the justification for lab grown human meat? Novelty? Taste? Psychological issues? How do we trust this persons judgement for themselves and others?
The issue is that human societies veered away from cannibalism for social issues, and so how do we trust those people who would engage in some form of cannibalism, even if it’s their own lab grown cells.
Some context which also gives European views on first encounters and how the social revulsion to this idea was established https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/making-of-an-imperial-polity/cannibalism-and-the-politics-of-bloodshed/D4D05AE81BBADD074FBCDC09504605D3
I fail to see how we treat meat animals as relevant. No ones going to be caged and mistreated because there’s no reason to.
The fact you’re eating human meat isn’t enough to cause psychological issues when no one was harmed, and the idea that it does is fucking laughable.
Unless someone is actually mistreated, which again no practical reason to, as getting a microscopic sample to grow from is harmless. Where would this psychological damage come from? Because it would remind us of the animals we did kill and eat? That’s fucking goofy. The psychological harm of cannibalism IS FROM THE PHYSICAL HARM BEING DONE TO THE OTHER PERSON. NOTHING ELSE. THATS IT.
Eating something that harmlessly grew from my body isn’t going to impose psychological damage, nor does it imply I lack empathy for myself or those around me.
There’s ethically no difference between eating your own lab grown meat, and eating your own boogers. There’s ethically no difference between someone eating your own lab grown meat, and someone eating your boogers.
It doesn’t automatically put me in the same class as livestock. I’m not undermining my humanity, nor does it mean I don’t care for myself. Your hang ups are your own. Get the fuck over yourself.
This almost reminds me of the weird psychosexual hangups incels have but for vegans. Imposing meaning where there is none, Jesus fucking Christ dude.
No, not actively remind. But the justifications we used to treat animals the way we do. Like, it’s okay to eat animals because they can’t fight back, or think or speak like we do etc. Or animals are not conscious the way we are conscious.
What’s makes you think someone eating lab grown muscle cells will stop there? Maybe they’ll want to eat brain because brain is a delicacy in many cultures. People eat cow and goat brains all the time. What if they grow a “person” to harvest all the organs efficiently? At what point do we say someone is conscious or not?
Heck, what if someone who hates you decides that they’ll secretly harvest your cells and grow you to eat your clones? Or maybe they’ll make sex slaves out of your clones? Clones are distinct entities because of epigenetic expression, so it’ll never be “you”. But the point remains. Is it okay to eat clones?
So the argument comes to the idea why someone wants to eat humans? What’s going on in their brains that they would like to do this? How can communities or other people trust someone who thinks like that
Cloning a meat steak and cloning functional human being are two wildly different things, and only one of those is really possible with anything near modern tech. Hell cloning brain meat and cloning an actually working brain are two very different things.
This is like if the atf treated slingshots as machine guns.
If you’re one step removed from something society actively discourages, and just by advent of technology, then people who have more power and less impulse control will indulge in the real thing. From my pov, indulging in eating human flesh via lab grown meat is the same as indulging in being a pedo via ai gen child porn. I could be wrong, but I think it would be interesting to brain scan people who want to eat human flesh to understand how and why they’re overcoming millions of years of evolutionary impulses
Yeah everyone who disagrees with you has something wrong with their head. That’s totally not lazy, and definitely not ableist in the slightest.
Remember what I said about incels? Its like this weird obsession with arm-chair pseudo-biology. What next, your going to tell me who I fuck and why determines my place in some nebulous social hierarchy? “Overcoming millions of year of biology”, no you’ve just got your head so far up your ass you forgot what bullshit smelt like.
Comparing growing your own meat to a pedophile cranking one out to ai generated photos is a false equivalence and hard. If nothing else, the adult being sampled can consent. The children who’s pictures where used as training data can’t.
If someone wants to commit to cannibalism they’ll do it anyway. This is a shit take, and a slippery slope at that. Even if that where true, the answer is to do away with capitalism and social hierarchy, not tech that could potentially help to solve hunger.
I’m sorry being a vegan won’t make you a better person than the rest of us once this rolls around. I know that must hurt your ego.
I don’t care about the disagreement, it’s about the fact that some people want to eat human flesh.
It doesn’t matter what the source of the human flesh is in this case because I think the point is more what is motivating these people to that action.
Regarding vegans, technically they are “better” people as a study showed they had higher levels of empathy. But of course, wouldn’t hurt to have more data either way. Regardless, that doesn’t necessarily imply that omnis or carnis are “bad” people.
Also, I am not sure you know what the term false equivalency means. How am I making a false equivalency?
Well if that where true, you wouldn’t have replied would you? Literally the disagreement is about said human flesh. To some extent you care.
Personally? I want an ethical meat alternative. I have sensory issues with food. I would love to switch to a mostly or entirely vegan diet, but the textures of a lot of plant-based foods fucking throw me. I hate it. I wish I wasn’t like that, but I am.
Using your own sample to grow your own meat is inherently the most ethical way to eat meat. I’m not doing psychological damage to myself by doing so, you’ve no reason to think I would be.