I don’t quite understand why it’s okay to pigeonhole people based on their age. It’s the same obtuse logic that racism works on: You ascribe all your prejudices to a imaginary group that is defined by nothing more than a single characteristic - be it age, race, gender or whatever. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a millennial myself and I think this post is funny. Other might not.
What I’m trying to say is that I can’t quite understand that with all the political correctness that is rightly emphasized these days, age discrimination seems to be excluded.
I just don’t think this form of discrimination is particularly helpful to anybody, as it also pits one group against another - just like rasicsm does. So please don’t normalize that stuff just because it’s the only …ism left that is accepted in social media.
And just to get that out of the way: Ok, boomer or millenial comments in response to this comment are not particularly original.
Race, gender and whatever are “people that are not like me”.
Jokes about old people are jokes about myself, because I (hopefully) will get old myself one day.
I don’t quite understand why it’s okay to pigeonhole people based on their age.
I don’t think that’s what’s happening here. It’s just a millennial imagining an exaggerated future of what she’ll be like as an elderly person, using too much of her current slang.
You can in fact tell someone’s age with reasonable accuracy based on the slang they use. It’s not “pigeonholing” to acknowledge a generation’s quirky slang.
I think we do this because of the school system, fast moving trends and technologies, and lastly marketing campaigns.
The school system does a good job keeping everyone separated by age. So different classes will often have different trends and might compete against each other. Then once out of school, people still have this framing.
There are also real differences in how I experienced childhood versus other people when they were kids, with internet and cellphones not being prevalent like today. Also certain events like 9/11 and Columbine caused a lot of national conversations. It felt unique to my experience and so I want to share and contrast that with others. We all have a shared human experience, and it’s interesting to find commonalities and differences in that. Which is probably why OP posted - the shared human experience of getting old and what we might look like.
And last, I think a lot of the simplistic, controversial stuff just comes from advertisers trying to make people feel insecure so they can sell them something.
Yes, sure people always like to think in a in- and out-group kind of way: people in your class, people in your city, people in your country, people of your race, of your age group, gender and so on. It’s a social thing that helps us to categorize things and deal with the complexity of the world.
But what I don’t get is how one can be against any kind of stereotype thinking when it comes to one thing but think in the most stereotypical kind of way when it comes to the next thing. It’s weird.
Well, that’s an interesting thought for sure and it’s something linguistics and philosophy focuses on - the arbitrary nature of boundaries/categories and what’s salient and why.
There’s a good book called Neurolinguistics and Linguistic Aphasia that talks about salience to different people. It makes a soft argument that perhaps everyone has synesthesia, but we all repress it to some degree (unless diagnosed with the actual synesthia condition). And different people have different types of synesthesia. So we are all experiencing and categorizing differently.
Then we have life experiences and trauma on top of that. Many times people focus on particular groups because of systems, perceived or real, within those groups that affected them. Sometimes it’s not even a real experience, but instead trauma from parenting that is triggered by the metaphor of these systems. They are mainly worried about safety and security, which is often why the group they hate is simultaneously weak and powerless while also being horrible and the worst and extremely deadly.
When you combine those two, you can see the drive for their stereotyping (desire for safety) and what they find salient to criticize. Ignoring the nonspecific value statements (eg bad, stupid), and focusing on more specific criticisms can help you suss out what’s actually being disliked and if it’s related to a sensory thing, trauma, and/or rational criticism.
“They are awful. I hate soldiers. They burned my village. It smelled like smoke. Whenever I see someone in camo, I smell smoke that tastes like death and cooking bodies.”
The above person has gustatory-olfactory synethesia and that’s how their brain triangulates their memories, along with sight and emotion. They may even KNOW not all soldiers will hurt them or burn down their new house. But they have these mental and emotional patterns that automatically get triggered. They’ve likely based a lot of their mental scaffolding on that. To suddenly change their mind isn’t physically possible because it takes neurochemicals to change mental pathways and it takes time. Just like I can’t deadlift 300lbs immediately because it takes time to grow those muscle cells enough to do that.
Some people don’t have any energy, neurochemicals, or time to change their mind. Some people are living desperately and can only focus on so much. Being humble enough to self analyze and improve yourself, being brave enough to deal with the fear and pain of trauma, is a lot. We also all have blindspots and aren’t all perfect.
As I’ve gotten older, I find most of the stereotypes I grew up believing were bullshit and not particularly useful for classifying the subjects of the stereotype—however I do find they help me categorize the people who believe them.
So you’re a white dude who thinks black people like fried chicken and watermelon? They do. So do white people because that shit is cheap and delicious. But you’re a racist.
All cops are bad? The last few years have been revelatory about a problem that has existed for decades. But you’re a moral absolutist and not someone to discuss nuanced issues with.
Republicans are better with the economy/foreign policy? You liked Regan and never grew out of it.
The stereotypes themselves aren’t really useful, but understanding the speaker is sometimes helpful.
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I don’t quite understand why it’s okay to pigeonhole people based on their age. It’s the same obtuse logic that racism works on: You ascribe all your prejudices to a imaginary group that is defined by nothing more than a single characteristic - be it age, race, gender or whatever. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a millennial myself and I think this post is funny. Other might not.
What I’m trying to say is that I can’t quite understand that with all the political correctness that is rightly emphasized these days, age discrimination seems to be excluded.
I just don’t think this form of discrimination is particularly helpful to anybody, as it also pits one group against another - just like rasicsm does. So please don’t normalize that stuff just because it’s the only …ism left that is accepted in social media.
And just to get that out of the way: Ok, boomer or millenial comments in response to this comment are not particularly original.
Ok, Boomer. Tl;dr. Skibidi ohio.
💀💀💀💀💀
Race, gender and whatever are “people that are not like me”. Jokes about old people are jokes about myself, because I (hopefully) will get old myself one day.
Aww, that’s wholesome.
I don’t think that’s what’s happening here. It’s just a millennial imagining an exaggerated future of what she’ll be like as an elderly person, using too much of her current slang.
You can in fact tell someone’s age with reasonable accuracy based on the slang they use. It’s not “pigeonholing” to acknowledge a generation’s quirky slang.
I think we do this because of the school system, fast moving trends and technologies, and lastly marketing campaigns.
The school system does a good job keeping everyone separated by age. So different classes will often have different trends and might compete against each other. Then once out of school, people still have this framing.
There are also real differences in how I experienced childhood versus other people when they were kids, with internet and cellphones not being prevalent like today. Also certain events like 9/11 and Columbine caused a lot of national conversations. It felt unique to my experience and so I want to share and contrast that with others. We all have a shared human experience, and it’s interesting to find commonalities and differences in that. Which is probably why OP posted - the shared human experience of getting old and what we might look like.
And last, I think a lot of the simplistic, controversial stuff just comes from advertisers trying to make people feel insecure so they can sell them something.
Yes, sure people always like to think in a in- and out-group kind of way: people in your class, people in your city, people in your country, people of your race, of your age group, gender and so on. It’s a social thing that helps us to categorize things and deal with the complexity of the world.
But what I don’t get is how one can be against any kind of stereotype thinking when it comes to one thing but think in the most stereotypical kind of way when it comes to the next thing. It’s weird.
Well, that’s an interesting thought for sure and it’s something linguistics and philosophy focuses on - the arbitrary nature of boundaries/categories and what’s salient and why.
There’s a good book called Neurolinguistics and Linguistic Aphasia that talks about salience to different people. It makes a soft argument that perhaps everyone has synesthesia, but we all repress it to some degree (unless diagnosed with the actual synesthia condition). And different people have different types of synesthesia. So we are all experiencing and categorizing differently.
Then we have life experiences and trauma on top of that. Many times people focus on particular groups because of systems, perceived or real, within those groups that affected them. Sometimes it’s not even a real experience, but instead trauma from parenting that is triggered by the metaphor of these systems. They are mainly worried about safety and security, which is often why the group they hate is simultaneously weak and powerless while also being horrible and the worst and extremely deadly.
When you combine those two, you can see the drive for their stereotyping (desire for safety) and what they find salient to criticize. Ignoring the nonspecific value statements (eg bad, stupid), and focusing on more specific criticisms can help you suss out what’s actually being disliked and if it’s related to a sensory thing, trauma, and/or rational criticism.
The above person has gustatory-olfactory synethesia and that’s how their brain triangulates their memories, along with sight and emotion. They may even KNOW not all soldiers will hurt them or burn down their new house. But they have these mental and emotional patterns that automatically get triggered. They’ve likely based a lot of their mental scaffolding on that. To suddenly change their mind isn’t physically possible because it takes neurochemicals to change mental pathways and it takes time. Just like I can’t deadlift 300lbs immediately because it takes time to grow those muscle cells enough to do that.
Some people don’t have any energy, neurochemicals, or time to change their mind. Some people are living desperately and can only focus on so much. Being humble enough to self analyze and improve yourself, being brave enough to deal with the fear and pain of trauma, is a lot. We also all have blindspots and aren’t all perfect.
As I’ve gotten older, I find most of the stereotypes I grew up believing were bullshit and not particularly useful for classifying the subjects of the stereotype—however I do find they help me categorize the people who believe them.
So you’re a white dude who thinks black people like fried chicken and watermelon? They do. So do white people because that shit is cheap and delicious. But you’re a racist.
All cops are bad? The last few years have been revelatory about a problem that has existed for decades. But you’re a moral absolutist and not someone to discuss nuanced issues with.
Republicans are better with the economy/foreign policy? You liked Regan and never grew out of it.
The stereotypes themselves aren’t really useful, but understanding the speaker is sometimes helpful.
Ok, boomer!
well that’s just weak
Ok, boomer?
Na ja, ich und deine Mutter sind sehr enttäuscht.
Tja
Everybody says “OK, boomer”, but nobody says “Are you OK, boomer?”