Look at the specs sheet of EV cars. The best case fast charging scenario is like 20 minutes to 60-80%. And you can’t count on the best case scenario every time. Gas station refueling is just much faster.
“Estimates suggest that the batteries for the Model S cost between $12,000 and $15,000. After labor charges, the total repair cost is about $20,000 to $22,000”
I did my research - and ultimately decided public transport is the best solution where I live.
Most of the time you charge an EV at home or at a level 2 charger nearby. Fast charging is rarely required, except when travelling long distances where it can be a factor, but that’s largely overblown. Also, battery swaps after very rarely required and noisy if there time the battery will last the lifetime of the vehicle.
My point is that you’re cherry picking negative points here while it’s obvious that you have no practical knowledge of the topic. And of course public transport is always a better option, if that is available to you.
Most of the time you charge an EV at home or at a level 2 charger nearby.
I have neither a house, nor I have access to any fast charging station nearby.
the battery will last the lifetime of the vehicle
That’s not given some battery packs will last long, some won’t. Warranty on batteries is a sketchy thing because it’s difficult to say whether capacity drop is a design flaw or just wear and tear from heavy usage
you have no practical knowledge of the topic
I have as much knowledge as I researched the topic. EV is a big nope for me.
Assuming off street parking, you may still convince your landlord or HOA to install chargers - make a business case for it.
My ex’s HOA just took such a proposal seriously: they got quotes, explained it’s covered by the reserve, and put it up to vote. It did get voted down by the membership, but it’s up to you to convince enough members
I always find it funny when people go through a lot of contortions to explain why they don’t want an EV. If you don’t want an EV don’t buy one. Nobody cares.
Uh, if you look at the top of the thread, blacklazor just said there are downsides to EVs in response to a post that made it sound like it’s all upside. They’re not “going through a lot of contortions”, they’re answering questions in good faith. They don’t have to have driven an EV to know it won’t work for their situation, and they detailed why.
Me, I want an EV, I just don’t have the money and I need at least 300 miles of range before having to charge. It’s not “range anxiety”, I do long road trips annually so I need to drive that far on a single charge no matter what my fuel is.
If you don’t want an EV don’t buy one.
They already said they aren’t.
Nobody cares.
The number of replies to the guy in this thread show that to be a lie.
Just curious on why you need to drive 300 miles on a single charge? Is it because you don’t wish to stop during the trip, is there no charging infrastructure along this particular route, or something else?
Unless you are born into great fortune, you have to work for 5 days out of every 7. The time in those remaining two days is extremely valuable to most people who just want to visit family/friends.
I just got back from a 1,200+ mile road trip. The first leg was 450 miles and my trip planner scheduled a 20 minute stop and a 15 minute stop. Yeah it’s a little longer than otherwise but really not much. Combine them with meals and it’s no delay at all
Edit: in an ICE car I would have made one of those stops and grabbed fast food, so the difference was 15 minutes. No big deal
Like @[email protected] said, I work 5 days. This road trip is a thousand miles, at least; I have done it in a single stretch, but that would be even less possible in an EV just because of the increased charge times. I do it in two days now, which means a stop every ~250 miles, and I like a healthy ~50 mile margin of error because I don’t wanna get stranded in the desert if the battery capacity dropped without my noticing somehow.
So, four stops over two days - that’s reasonable, that’s what I’ve got with my gas car which gets me there Sunday evening if I leave Saturday morning, in time to start work Monday. More stops means I get in later and have less time to get settled, or maybe I can’t make the trip in two days at all, so no trip.
Charging at home most of the time means no wait, plus much cheaper. I’m so happy to never again have to goto a local gas station!
Battery replacement could be expensive but probably not necessary. A recent survey found tenants of my car still had 85% battery capacity after 250,000 miles - most people never put that kind of mileage on a car.
I was on a recent road trip where the route planner recommended stops as short as 4 minutes to optimize total travel time. For the longest I’ve, it scheduled a charge at a mall, and was ready before we even got to the food court.
Sure, on the few days a year I’m on a road trip more than 150 miles each way, charging takes longer than gas fill ups but it’s really no big deal, plus more than made up for by charging at home most of the year
I have in fact owned one. I also owned a hybrid electric vehicle within the first year of commercial availability, probably before you were born. (You wouldn’t even believe the amount of dumb shit people spouted at me about batteries back then.) However the trade-offs between different vehicle energy sources is real and tangible. It makes no sense to deny it.
Have you ever driven an EV or where do you get this sort of “information”?
Look at the specs sheet of EV cars. The best case fast charging scenario is like 20 minutes to 60-80%. And you can’t count on the best case scenario every time. Gas station refueling is just much faster.
As for cost, literally 60 seconds of searching:
https://www.cbtnews.com/replacing-a-tesla-battery-costs-and-options-explained/
“Estimates suggest that the batteries for the Model S cost between $12,000 and $15,000. After labor charges, the total repair cost is about $20,000 to $22,000”
I did my research - and ultimately decided public transport is the best solution where I live.
Most of the time you charge an EV at home or at a level 2 charger nearby. Fast charging is rarely required, except when travelling long distances where it can be a factor, but that’s largely overblown. Also, battery swaps after very rarely required and noisy if there time the battery will last the lifetime of the vehicle.
My point is that you’re cherry picking negative points here while it’s obvious that you have no practical knowledge of the topic. And of course public transport is always a better option, if that is available to you.
I have neither a house, nor I have access to any fast charging station nearby.
That’s not given some battery packs will last long, some won’t. Warranty on batteries is a sketchy thing because it’s difficult to say whether capacity drop is a design flaw or just wear and tear from heavy usage
I have as much knowledge as I researched the topic. EV is a big nope for me.
Assuming off street parking, you may still convince your landlord or HOA to install chargers - make a business case for it.
My ex’s HOA just took such a proposal seriously: they got quotes, explained it’s covered by the reserve, and put it up to vote. It did get voted down by the membership, but it’s up to you to convince enough members
I always find it funny when people go through a lot of contortions to explain why they don’t want an EV. If you don’t want an EV don’t buy one. Nobody cares.
Uh, if you look at the top of the thread, blacklazor just said there are downsides to EVs in response to a post that made it sound like it’s all upside. They’re not “going through a lot of contortions”, they’re answering questions in good faith. They don’t have to have driven an EV to know it won’t work for their situation, and they detailed why.
Me, I want an EV, I just don’t have the money and I need at least 300 miles of range before having to charge. It’s not “range anxiety”, I do long road trips annually so I need to drive that far on a single charge no matter what my fuel is.
They already said they aren’t.
The number of replies to the guy in this thread show that to be a lie.
Just curious on why you need to drive 300 miles on a single charge? Is it because you don’t wish to stop during the trip, is there no charging infrastructure along this particular route, or something else?
Unless you are born into great fortune, you have to work for 5 days out of every 7. The time in those remaining two days is extremely valuable to most people who just want to visit family/friends.
I just got back from a 1,200+ mile road trip. The first leg was 450 miles and my trip planner scheduled a 20 minute stop and a 15 minute stop. Yeah it’s a little longer than otherwise but really not much. Combine them with meals and it’s no delay at all
Edit: in an ICE car I would have made one of those stops and grabbed fast food, so the difference was 15 minutes. No big deal
Like @[email protected] said, I work 5 days. This road trip is a thousand miles, at least; I have done it in a single stretch, but that would be even less possible in an EV just because of the increased charge times. I do it in two days now, which means a stop every ~250 miles, and I like a healthy ~50 mile margin of error because I don’t wanna get stranded in the desert if the battery capacity dropped without my noticing somehow.
So, four stops over two days - that’s reasonable, that’s what I’ve got with my gas car which gets me there Sunday evening if I leave Saturday morning, in time to start work Monday. More stops means I get in later and have less time to get settled, or maybe I can’t make the trip in two days at all, so no trip.
What’s the point of writing this comment? Other than because you care about other people’s choice of vehicle?
Yes everyone lives in a single family home that they own.
Charging at home most of the time means no wait, plus much cheaper. I’m so happy to never again have to goto a local gas station!
Battery replacement could be expensive but probably not necessary. A recent survey found tenants of my car still had 85% battery capacity after 250,000 miles - most people never put that kind of mileage on a car.
I was on a recent road trip where the route planner recommended stops as short as 4 minutes to optimize total travel time. For the longest I’ve, it scheduled a charge at a mall, and was ready before we even got to the food court.
Sure, on the few days a year I’m on a road trip more than 150 miles each way, charging takes longer than gas fill ups but it’s really no big deal, plus more than made up for by charging at home most of the year
I have in fact owned one. I also owned a hybrid electric vehicle within the first year of commercial availability, probably before you were born. (You wouldn’t even believe the amount of dumb shit people spouted at me about batteries back then.) However the trade-offs between different vehicle energy sources is real and tangible. It makes no sense to deny it.