I don’t think assisted suicide is dystopian, I think it’s incredibly progressive and I wish it was more widely available. We give our pets more dignity in death than our loved ones and it sucks. The fact that we’ll keep a corpse animated for years just because we can’t let go is pretty fucking dystopian though.
My greats fear isn’t to die in an accident, it’s to barely survive an accident. To be kept alive but with no quality of life and in constant pain, that’s not life, that’s hell.
I don’t want people in that situation to be euthanized, i just want them to be given the choice, because that is what i would want
I don’t like it because, as a person with chronic mental illness, it’s legitimizing me committing suicide rather than learning to cope with my symptoms. I already think too much about how nice it’ll be to be dead and not having to worry about dealing with my symptoms. If one day I decided that my life was no longer bearable, what’s the practical difference between me making an attempt on my own life that allegedly needs to be urgently stopped, and me going through months of paperwork and evaluations to do the same thing? If suicide is wrong, if we shouldn’t use a permanent solution for a temporary problem, then why should we turn it into a medical procedure? It feels dystopian because the medical industry, in my case, would be throwing up its hands and saying “you know what, you’re right, you’re completely broken and there’s no possible way to fix you. Let’s just kill you instead.”
What you’re referring to is called genocide. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of anyone promote euthanasia as a solution to depression, or any disability, outside fascism — and fuck those assholes. Their opinions are psychopathic and irrelevant.
This isn’t about you. Euthanasia is about personal freedom and choice. It’s about enabling the people who have terminal illnesses, and are guaranteed a slow and painful death, the ability to choose a painless death on their own terms. Watching my father die of dementia is what I imagine hell would be like. Forced to live in a prison of your own mind, unable to remember anyone or anything, or what happened a minute ago, for x number of years until you forget how to swallow, then die of pneumonia. That’s not something I’m willing to live through, and I’d prefer to choose to die a few years earlier to avoid it. The opposition to euthanasia directly causes millions of people to suffer needlessly. It removes their freedom and choice.
If that’s the case, then why does Canada allow people only with mental illnesses and addictions to seek out MAID? And how do you know for sure that this isn’t going to expand as a cost-cutting measure throughout any healthcare system that enables it?
Canada allow people only with mental illnesses and addictions to seek out MAID?
Because you believe bullshit, that isn’t true in the slightest? Currently, ONLY people who are terminally ill or suffering are allowed.
And how do you know for sure that this isn’t going to expand as a cost-cutting measure throughout any healthcare system that enables it?
I don’t. Healthcare professionals wouldn’t agree to that, but medical science can’t prevent a fascist government from using anything to murder undesirables. In fact I expect oligarchs around the world to commit genocide en masse due to climate change and mass automation/unemployment.
Euthanasia is voluntary. The moment it’s no longer voluntary it becomes murder/genocide. What you’re worried about is murder/genocide. Not euthanasia. You’re worried about the wrong thing.
I was mistaken in that it was currently available. However, they’re planning on making it available for solely mental conditions in the future and have been pushing the eligibility date back for a few years. The fact remains they think this is a good idea and want to do it.
Healthcare professionals wouldn’t agree to that…
They’re already agreeing to killing their patients to begin with. Healthcare decisions are made based on cost constantly. The door is open, anything is possible now. And not only that, but there have been plenty of unethical medical practices in history that are no longer done, like the lobotomy.
I was mistaken in my previous posts. I wasn’t aware that the effective date of MAID for mentally ill people had been pushed out again. But the fact remains it’s in the plans and it’s very likely to become a reality; if they didn’t want to do it, they would have revoked it entirely.
They’re talking about expanding it to allow terminally ill people with mental illnesses to access maid, not saying that you must be mentally ill to receive it.
MAID is also for people who live, by some measure, intolerably painful lives for which there isn’t a treatment IIRC. Many mental disorders could be classified as such and make someone eligible for MAID. This will disincentivize people from trying to treat these disorders and instead “end people’s suffering” in a much darker way.
I don’t think assisted suicide is dystopian, I think it’s incredibly progressive and I wish it was more widely available. We give our pets more dignity in death than our loved ones and it sucks. The fact that we’ll keep a corpse animated for years just because we can’t let go is pretty fucking dystopian though.
My greats fear isn’t to die in an accident, it’s to barely survive an accident. To be kept alive but with no quality of life and in constant pain, that’s not life, that’s hell.
I don’t want people in that situation to be euthanized, i just want them to be given the choice, because that is what i would want
I don’t like it because, as a person with chronic mental illness, it’s legitimizing me committing suicide rather than learning to cope with my symptoms. I already think too much about how nice it’ll be to be dead and not having to worry about dealing with my symptoms. If one day I decided that my life was no longer bearable, what’s the practical difference between me making an attempt on my own life that allegedly needs to be urgently stopped, and me going through months of paperwork and evaluations to do the same thing? If suicide is wrong, if we shouldn’t use a permanent solution for a temporary problem, then why should we turn it into a medical procedure? It feels dystopian because the medical industry, in my case, would be throwing up its hands and saying “you know what, you’re right, you’re completely broken and there’s no possible way to fix you. Let’s just kill you instead.”
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Canada has made MAID available to people who only have mental illnesses or addictions. The mask has slipped.
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What you’re referring to is called genocide. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of anyone promote euthanasia as a solution to depression, or any disability, outside fascism — and fuck those assholes. Their opinions are psychopathic and irrelevant.
This isn’t about you. Euthanasia is about personal freedom and choice. It’s about enabling the people who have terminal illnesses, and are guaranteed a slow and painful death, the ability to choose a painless death on their own terms. Watching my father die of dementia is what I imagine hell would be like. Forced to live in a prison of your own mind, unable to remember anyone or anything, or what happened a minute ago, for x number of years until you forget how to swallow, then die of pneumonia. That’s not something I’m willing to live through, and I’d prefer to choose to die a few years earlier to avoid it. The opposition to euthanasia directly causes millions of people to suffer needlessly. It removes their freedom and choice.
If that’s the case, then why does Canada allow people only with mental illnesses and addictions to seek out MAID? And how do you know for sure that this isn’t going to expand as a cost-cutting measure throughout any healthcare system that enables it?
It is genocide.
Because you believe bullshit, that isn’t true in the slightest? Currently, ONLY people who are terminally ill or suffering are allowed.
I don’t. Healthcare professionals wouldn’t agree to that, but medical science can’t prevent a fascist government from using anything to murder undesirables. In fact I expect oligarchs around the world to commit genocide en masse due to climate change and mass automation/unemployment.
Euthanasia is voluntary. The moment it’s no longer voluntary it becomes murder/genocide. What you’re worried about is murder/genocide. Not euthanasia. You’re worried about the wrong thing.
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/ad-am/bk-di.html
I was mistaken in that it was currently available. However, they’re planning on making it available for solely mental conditions in the future and have been pushing the eligibility date back for a few years. The fact remains they think this is a good idea and want to do it.
They’re already agreeing to killing their patients to begin with. Healthcare decisions are made based on cost constantly. The door is open, anything is possible now. And not only that, but there have been plenty of unethical medical practices in history that are no longer done, like the lobotomy.
What are you talking about? The only people allowed to get any kind of assisted suicide are people who are terminally ill, like people with cancer.
I was mistaken in my previous posts. I wasn’t aware that the effective date of MAID for mentally ill people had been pushed out again. But the fact remains it’s in the plans and it’s very likely to become a reality; if they didn’t want to do it, they would have revoked it entirely.
They’re talking about expanding it to allow terminally ill people with mental illnesses to access maid, not saying that you must be mentally ill to receive it.
MAID is also for people who live, by some measure, intolerably painful lives for which there isn’t a treatment IIRC. Many mental disorders could be classified as such and make someone eligible for MAID. This will disincentivize people from trying to treat these disorders and instead “end people’s suffering” in a much darker way.