So you think there are only two “legit” parties in the US? And you are happy about that? Is that really democracy tho?
Yes, no, yes.
Doesn’t matter. That’s how it is. Until RCV or some other voting mechanism is instituted where third party candidates are viable all they do now is spoil, and the only way to change this is to convince one of the 2 parties to institute it. Spoiling their candidate is a bad way to do that though.
I’m a, “yes, no, no,” to that. I have decided FPTP is just not democracy. The mathematical fact is that only one of the two top parties will win. In a real democracy I could choose a different party and not be throwing my vote away.
Obviously I will not waste my vote to pass some idealistic purity test, though.
I support and respect your right to vote for who you want to vote for. As you support and respect my right to vote for who I want to vote for, right?
That’s a red herring. Calling out the foolishness of wasting your vote against your professed goals has nothing to do with respecting your right to vote.
When you actually have a chance to win the electoral college, then you have a point. Until then these 3rd party presidential candidates are a fool’s errand.
Yeah, I’ve noticed an above average tendency to copy/paste responses too. If I were a mod I would have banned them days ago, but I’m not so I’ll keep arguing until I can maybe break the logic cycle. I’m hoping they are just a youthful naively innocent new voter caught up in the propaganda and that reason will break through but it really really really doesn’t feel that way.
This individual’s account was created 18 days ago and since then has posted 546 times and commented 969 times for a total of 1,515. That’s over 84 posts per day every day on average. Assuming that they sleep 8 hours per day, that’s 5 posts per hour or about once per 12 minutes or so.
Sort of makes you wonder what they do for a living that lets them spend all their waking hours posting on Lemmy, doesn’t it?
Respecting my right to vote means respecting my choice to support a candidate who aligns with my values, even if they aren’t favored in the electoral college.
Dismissing third-party candidates as a “fool’s errand” ignores the role they play in challenging the status quo and pushing for real change.
Voting isn’t just about winning this election—it’s about shaping the future direction of our politics.
No, it literally is just about winning the election. You’re confusing it with polls.
it’s about shaping the future direction of our politics.
Agreed. But as I’ve already started it is in the opposite direction you intend, unless… If I’m hearing you correctly your goal is to knowingly spoil the legit candidate so when they lose they’ll lick their wounds, look at the voting data and learn the lesson to be more sympathetic to your demands in 4 years?
This is a youthful understanding of action vs its consequences. You intend to vote for x due to an apparently myopic sense of ethics, but the logical result is that -x^2 gets elected. As such rational observers must conclude -x^2 is your political goal.
No it fucking doesn’t, just like respecting your right to free speech doesn’t mean respecting what you say.
You are making a choice to have your ballot not count whatsoever in the final decision. You have a right to make that choice, but it is IMO stupid as fuck.
You are trying to conflate two senses of “respect.” You have the right to cast your ballot how you wish. But it is a fact that casting your ballot into the trash is foolish. Especially when the country is on the precipice as it is.
Yes, no, yes.
Doesn’t matter. That’s how it is. Until RCV or some other voting mechanism is instituted where third party candidates are viable all they do now is spoil, and the only way to change this is to convince one of the 2 parties to institute it. Spoiling their candidate is a bad way to do that though.
I’m a, “yes, no, no,” to that. I have decided FPTP is just not democracy. The mathematical fact is that only one of the two top parties will win. In a real democracy I could choose a different party and not be throwing my vote away.
Obviously I will not waste my vote to pass some idealistic purity test, though.
And I don’t agree that it’s how it should be. So I won’t be supporting the duopoly.
I vote for who matches my values. And that’s third party.
I support and respect your right to vote for who you want to vote for. As you support and respect my right to vote for who I want to vote for, right?
That’s a red herring. Calling out the foolishness of wasting your vote against your professed goals has nothing to do with respecting your right to vote.
When you actually have a chance to win the electoral college, then you have a point. Until then these 3rd party presidential candidates are a fool’s errand.
I’ve been down this exact track with them. They just post the same lines again and again.
Yeah, I’ve noticed an above average tendency to copy/paste responses too. If I were a mod I would have banned them days ago, but I’m not so I’ll keep arguing until I can maybe break the logic cycle. I’m hoping they are just a youthful naively innocent new voter caught up in the propaganda and that reason will break through but it really really really doesn’t feel that way.
This individual’s account was created 18 days ago and since then has posted 546 times and commented 969 times for a total of 1,515. That’s over 84 posts per day every day on average. Assuming that they sleep 8 hours per day, that’s 5 posts per hour or about once per 12 minutes or so.
Sort of makes you wonder what they do for a living that lets them spend all their waking hours posting on Lemmy, doesn’t it?
I’m not seeing those numbers. i see 69 posts and 831 comments. That’s still 50 interactions / day.
Respecting my right to vote means respecting my choice to support a candidate who aligns with my values, even if they aren’t favored in the electoral college.
Dismissing third-party candidates as a “fool’s errand” ignores the role they play in challenging the status quo and pushing for real change.
Voting isn’t just about winning this election—it’s about shaping the future direction of our politics.
No, it literally is just about winning the election. You’re confusing it with polls.
Agreed. But as I’ve already started it is in the opposite direction you intend, unless… If I’m hearing you correctly your goal is to knowingly spoil the legit candidate so when they lose they’ll lick their wounds, look at the voting data and learn the lesson to be more sympathetic to your demands in 4 years?
I’m voting for who closest matches my values. It’s not JUST about making a point.
Despite now knowing it works against your goals. Got it.
It doesn’t work against my goals at all. I am voting for who best aligns with my values.
It may work against YOUR goals, but not mine. You are allowed to vote for who you want. As I am allowed to vote for who I want.
This is a youthful understanding of action vs its consequences. You intend to vote for x due to an apparently myopic sense of ethics, but the logical result is that -x^2 gets elected. As such rational observers must conclude -x^2 is your political goal.
No it fucking doesn’t, just like respecting your right to free speech doesn’t mean respecting what you say.
You are making a choice to have your ballot not count whatsoever in the final decision. You have a right to make that choice, but it is IMO stupid as fuck.
Well I respect and support your right to vote for who you want. And yep, you can def have your own opinions. I don’t mind that at all.
But are you saying you don’t respect and support my right to vote for who I want? That doesn’t sound very democratic.
You are trying to conflate two senses of “respect.” You have the right to cast your ballot how you wish. But it is a fact that casting your ballot into the trash is foolish. Especially when the country is on the precipice as it is.
Casting a vote based on my values is not the same as throwing it away—it’s a conscious decision to advocate for the future I believe in.
Also I don’t feel that the country is on a “precipice.” I’m not scared of Trump.
It is throwing it away, it will not count towards the final result in the slightest.
You are beyond privileged if you aren’t concerned about another Donald admin.
This all tracks with my existing opinion of you.
Pretty much sums this cat up, and something someone who genuinely cares about the environment would have a great deal of difficulty typing out.
Nothing about democracy says we should not have debates among ourselves about which candidate is best.