No one is “justifying” anything. Bad faith argument
Really? I could have sworn I had just read someone downplaying the US’s culpability in the genocide… Maybe I’m projecting someone else’s argument onto you, maybe I should just pose it as a question to get your take:
The US is culpable in Israel’s genocide because the US is supplying the weapons being used to slaughter innocent Palestinians, and there is no justification for the US (regardless of administration) continuing to supply arms to Israel while they are actively involved in genocide.
Would you agree with that statement? If not, why?
People who argue against you don’t have to be rabid genocide lovers. Typically they are just disagreeing with implied conclusions. Such as “the Democrats are the real ones to blame here [so don’t vote for them]”
I think I can help clarify this, actually. The explicit conclusion is: “the Democrats share the responsibility for Israel’s genocide because they are materially supporting and enabling its continuation.”
There is no conclusion (explicit or implicit) about how this should inform your vote, because -as you’ve alluded- there is no way to vote that does not indirectly enable further genocide. Some people seem more upset about that than others, but that’s not really relevant to the question being asserted.
could have sworn I had just read someone downplaying the US’s culpability in the genocide
You know this is false. Disputing how blame is distributed is not “justifying”, and “downplaying the US’s culpability in the genocide” is not “justifying” even if I were doing that. They are not primarily responsible, and you know it’s true, and you know that was what I said. Also, “downplaying” implies a thin fake attempt, but I’m hiding nothing whatsoever. Unlike those hoping to sway the US election. If you people would ever criticize where Trump stands on Israel (which btw is required if you’re being fair or care about Gazans), you’d get basically no pushback. But you specifically want to ever avoid doing that, and get mad at those who do.
The US is culpable in Israel’s genocide because the US is supplying the weapons being used to slaughter innocent Palestinians, and there is no justification for the US (regardless of administration) continuing to supply arms to Israel while they are actively involved in genocide.
I would not need to address this. Not only is it obvious af that the US providing the weapons is bad, you pretending people are saying otherwise was the topic.
there is no way to vote that does not indirectly enable further genocide
Yeah, this is the lie that pisses off honest people who want to limit suffering (and not burn the US to the ground). You know for sure that voting in a way that reduces Trump’s chances limits the suffering of Palestinians. The only way to do that is voting for Harris. So if you care about Gazans in the slightest, you will make it known that Trump is worse, every chance you get, instead of never mentioning it and rejecting it every time it’s brought up. If you made that clear, we would have zero beef. The sudden surge in “genocide lovers” disappears from your life. On Lemmy, you might spot 1-2 people per week actually defending Israel. Not hundreds which you’re trying to paint as all supporters of genocide.
Not only is it obvious af that the US providing the weapons is bad, you pretending people are saying otherwise was the topic.
No, supplying the weapons is not simply “bad”, but necessarily implicates the US in the genocide. The weapons being used to conduct the genocide are coming from the US, and if we did not send them then they could not be used to commit genocide (a direct implication of guilt). That is what is being asserted.
I just want to make sure we share that understanding before I address your other accusations.
Still doing all of it. It’s obvious af where your priorities are. You’re targeting low information young voters who don’t understand US elections. Disgusting.
Really? I could have sworn I had just read someone downplaying the US’s culpability in the genocide… Maybe I’m projecting someone else’s argument onto you, maybe I should just pose it as a question to get your take:
The US is culpable in Israel’s genocide because the US is supplying the weapons being used to slaughter innocent Palestinians, and there is no justification for the US (regardless of administration) continuing to supply arms to Israel while they are actively involved in genocide.
Would you agree with that statement? If not, why?
I think I can help clarify this, actually. The explicit conclusion is: “the Democrats share the responsibility for Israel’s genocide because they are materially supporting and enabling its continuation.”
There is no conclusion (explicit or implicit) about how this should inform your vote, because -as you’ve alluded- there is no way to vote that does not indirectly enable further genocide. Some people seem more upset about that than others, but that’s not really relevant to the question being asserted.
You know this is false. Disputing how blame is distributed is not “justifying”, and “downplaying the US’s culpability in the genocide” is not “justifying” even if I were doing that. They are not primarily responsible, and you know it’s true, and you know that was what I said. Also, “downplaying” implies a thin fake attempt, but I’m hiding nothing whatsoever. Unlike those hoping to sway the US election. If you people would ever criticize where Trump stands on Israel (which btw is required if you’re being fair or care about Gazans), you’d get basically no pushback. But you specifically want to ever avoid doing that, and get mad at those who do.
I would not need to address this. Not only is it obvious af that the US providing the weapons is bad, you pretending people are saying otherwise was the topic.
Yeah, this is the lie that pisses off honest people who want to limit suffering (and not burn the US to the ground). You know for sure that voting in a way that reduces Trump’s chances limits the suffering of Palestinians. The only way to do that is voting for Harris. So if you care about Gazans in the slightest, you will make it known that Trump is worse, every chance you get, instead of never mentioning it and rejecting it every time it’s brought up. If you made that clear, we would have zero beef. The sudden surge in “genocide lovers” disappears from your life. On Lemmy, you might spot 1-2 people per week actually defending Israel. Not hundreds which you’re trying to paint as all supporters of genocide.
No, supplying the weapons is not simply “bad”, but necessarily implicates the US in the genocide. The weapons being used to conduct the genocide are coming from the US, and if we did not send them then they could not be used to commit genocide (a direct implication of guilt). That is what is being asserted.
I just want to make sure we share that understanding before I address your other accusations.
Still doing all of it. It’s obvious af where your priorities are. You’re targeting low information young voters who don’t understand US elections. Disgusting.
I still have no idea how to respond to you because you’ve not answered the question.
lol
Right. I’m the troll here! /s
Lol
Say that you agree, or say that you disagree, “make a definitive statement, Gabe”