I wasn’t calling you an absolute asshole. This was never my I tention. This was more of a general statement.statement.goes for the second part, because some vegans do be like that.
Alright, no harm done. Only the vegans I happen to know are very empathic people who generally care deeply about the wellbeing of animals. Therefore they themselves are hurt quite a bit in the non-vegan world they’re living in. Some of them can’t even bear to sit at the same table where someone else is eating dead animals that have had a miserable life and death. I started changing my diet due to climate and biodiversity reasons (basically out of a responsibility for future generations), but the more I learn about how poorly our massive livestock is treated, the worse it gets. It’s now to the point where this tasty lump of cheese that everyone else is seeing is smeared with blood and tears in my eyes. So I protest when vegans are being portrayed as the bad guys in this day and age.
I don’t have a problem with vegans myself. The ones I know in real life are all good persons which are capable of having a conversation that doesn’t escalate in 3 minutes. However, it happens to be that most vegans I encountered online seem to be absolute assholes, that have some sort of an all or nothing attitude. They aren’t interested in changing someone’s beliefs and habits. They want to have the moral highground and mock about everyone else. Of course industriall farming is bad, but you don’t change anyone’s beliefs by being an asshole and insulting others. And you aren’t able to change someone’s habits against their will.
Hard to follow your reasoning, I was the one getting insulted, at no point did I insult anyone. I presented facts, if people are offended by them that’s up to them. Too bad that people don’t really care about facts but are more influenced by image building that matches their preconceived ideas. But still, facts are the only basis we have in intelligent discussions. And I don’t think I am better than anyone else (again, where did you pick that notion up?) but I do see all the problems that we currently have which are caused by ourselves. You know, people and cattle forming 97% of landbased mammal biomass, all the elephants, giraffes, mice, deer etc. come out of the remaining 3%. More than 75% of all agricultural area spent on cattle. This is all because we like to eat meat preferably daily, once only reserved for the wealthy, perhaps once a week for middle class. The way we are eating is just not sustainable and has to change, but people are consiously deaf for this notion. Blaming the people that do see this cause and effect.
You’re not too bad about jumping to conclusions yourself. Perhaps it’s time to postpone judgement until you really get to know someone, instead of forming an opinion about someone based on a post or two.
I wasn’t calling you an absolute asshole. This was never my I tention. This was more of a general statement.statement.goes for the second part, because some vegans do be like that.
Alright, no harm done. Only the vegans I happen to know are very empathic people who generally care deeply about the wellbeing of animals. Therefore they themselves are hurt quite a bit in the non-vegan world they’re living in. Some of them can’t even bear to sit at the same table where someone else is eating dead animals that have had a miserable life and death. I started changing my diet due to climate and biodiversity reasons (basically out of a responsibility for future generations), but the more I learn about how poorly our massive livestock is treated, the worse it gets. It’s now to the point where this tasty lump of cheese that everyone else is seeing is smeared with blood and tears in my eyes. So I protest when vegans are being portrayed as the bad guys in this day and age.
I don’t have a problem with vegans myself. The ones I know in real life are all good persons which are capable of having a conversation that doesn’t escalate in 3 minutes. However, it happens to be that most vegans I encountered online seem to be absolute assholes, that have some sort of an all or nothing attitude. They aren’t interested in changing someone’s beliefs and habits. They want to have the moral highground and mock about everyone else. Of course industriall farming is bad, but you don’t change anyone’s beliefs by being an asshole and insulting others. And you aren’t able to change someone’s habits against their will.
Hard to follow your reasoning, I was the one getting insulted, at no point did I insult anyone. I presented facts, if people are offended by them that’s up to them. Too bad that people don’t really care about facts but are more influenced by image building that matches their preconceived ideas. But still, facts are the only basis we have in intelligent discussions. And I don’t think I am better than anyone else (again, where did you pick that notion up?) but I do see all the problems that we currently have which are caused by ourselves. You know, people and cattle forming 97% of landbased mammal biomass, all the elephants, giraffes, mice, deer etc. come out of the remaining 3%. More than 75% of all agricultural area spent on cattle. This is all because we like to eat meat preferably daily, once only reserved for the wealthy, perhaps once a week for middle class. The way we are eating is just not sustainable and has to change, but people are consiously deaf for this notion. Blaming the people that do see this cause and effect.
Again, this wasn’t meant to target you, but in fact a lot of the other vegans I find online.
(Except you’ve already proved their point in other comments, and even jumped to conclusions because you need to feel better than everyone)
You’re not too bad about jumping to conclusions yourself. Perhaps it’s time to postpone judgement until you really get to know someone, instead of forming an opinion about someone based on a post or two.