If they consider allowing women to get abortions infanticide, I can see where they’re coming from. From another perspective, if they consider donating weapons to Israel to help them kill Gazans, including children, infanticide, that would also be something that many Democrats support.
Edit: I didn’t say my own opinions on either of these being infanticide, or at least immoral. I was just trying to understand it from various points of view, to see what they could have meant.
Yeah if you avoid the obvious [Source](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/07/1152281, but I know you blue no matter who so literally nothing is a deal-breaker for you. Tell me more how much you only support a candidate for not being Republican.
Chase Oliver would absolutely end our genocide support Source, and I hear this kinda hyperbole all the time but the truth is Trump is a populist he does whatever whim comes his way, with that attitude he really is more likely than Harris to end our genocide support. Idk how you came to think your daughter is in harm’s way by not voting Harris, but def sounds like Blue No Matter who syndrome. You can’t think hes a brain dead fool and some master tactician at the same time.
The media blocks him out but he is the only third party on almost all ballots. You support Harris because you think they’ll win, you did not even challenge my candidate on anything only “winnabillity” thats blue no matter who which is just this season’s tea party to me. Again please point to a concentration camp Trump would open? Cause I saw Trump had migrants in vacant office buildings until the dems said that was bad and Biden made them start sleeping under a bridge. That you can’t even fathom that Harris is part of the problem has me legit worried.
So you ignored my ask for proof and/or what makes you think that? Again why do you think that besides “Trump Bad”? And not to be mean but since we pulling threads what do you think of Gazans in Ghettoes currently? They are literally in a camp right now and youll vote to support that because of a hypothetical but you are not a scared sheep 🙄 You: we need those things to be safe
Damn you’re dense. Next you’ll be trying to convince us that a narcissistic asshole who’s only ambition in life is to enrich himself is somehow better for Gaza and women’s rights. Trump could not find Gaza on a map let alone help stop a war.
And the sad part is he gives so little fucks about Gaza he might pull us out by accident. Harris has made clear she would never ever withdraw no matter what. Thats better because?
That’s better because Harris isn’t also trying to fuck everyone over in every conceivable way in addition to supporting the genocide. Now quit your bullshit.
Bro Idk if you wanna believe what they tell you, but how do you think a pier was built in Gaza by American forces with no boots on the ground? Where are the weapons coming from? Like you gotta ignore alot to say we aren’t there.
I’m upvoting you since it seems like you were just trying to understand their (admittedly strange) point of view. It doesn’t seem like you made any claim
Edit: I got downvoted for saying there are kids raised by same sex adoptive parents, so I understand the confusion
They definitely do that. I know a guy who frequently rants that democrats or pro choice people are “baby killers”. I tried to explain that a baby and a fetus are different things even if one develops into another. This devolved into an argument about where to draw that line. It did not go well.
The line is rather grey, but most people would agree that there is a certain point in the pregnancy when voluntary abortion is ethical, and that it should be allowed even later if the mother has a good reason, or her life is in danger.
I really don’t think it is grey. This is about bodily autonomy, right? If you can extract the fetus without it dying when extracted, don’t let it die after you extract it. If there’s a way for a fetus to survive if it gets removed after the 8th week, great. Put it in the incubator or whatever. The point is that the pregnant woman should not be forced to have it in her body.
Weirdly, I never hear about anti-abortionists talk about how artificial womb technology should be researched and developed.
This is the viability / bodily autonomy argument combined. I don’t think conservatives find it all that compelling as they are advocating for the rights of the unborn. You wouldn’t turn off the life support of someone that is conscious but on a ventilator, right? It’s the same principle. I’m just telling you from their perspective.
I think the strongest argument in favor of abortion is the consciousness argument (around 24 weeks I think).
It’s not so simple otherwise we would have all figured it out long ago.
Most people are pro choice yes. The fact that media outlets allow this shit to be talked about like it is actually a half and half thing is ridiculous.
It is simple. If you believe a person for ANY reason at ANY time could be allowed to have a fetus aborted EVER meaning it could never grow, it will kill the mother, and she was raped by her own father at age 8. YOU ARE PRO CHOICE. Period. If you are against that. You are anti choice.
Pro choice saves lives, anti choice kills and ruins lives
They do consider abortion to be infanticide*, but that’s beside the point. They are specifically claiming that in Democrat run states that it is legal to kill a baby after it is born.
(*Not really, that’s just the proxy argument for being in control of women’s bodies.)
Damn, you’re actually getting downvoted for demonstrating an understanding of a conservative taking point (without endorsing it) and acknowledging the fact that many Democrats, in fact, support Israel.
If they consider allowing women to get abortions infanticide, I can see where they’re coming from. From another perspective, if they consider donating weapons to Israel to help them kill Gazans, including children, infanticide, that would also be something that many Democrats support.
Edit: I didn’t say my own opinions on either of these being infanticide, or at least immoral. I was just trying to understand it from various points of view, to see what they could have meant.
The main issue is they are claiming that Democrats want to (and abortion clinics are) killing infants after they are born.
I applaud you for tying up the ressources of this troll, and just wanted to drop this info here: the GOP is trying to prop up liberal candidates to split the vote.
You’ve cost the GOP or Russia some cash! o7
I regret but I have but one set of fingers to give for my country.
Yeah if you avoid the obvious [Source](https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/07/1152281, but I know you blue no matter who so literally nothing is a deal-breaker for you. Tell me more how much you only support a candidate for not being Republican.
I avoided the obvious fact that the Republican candidate for president would happily put my queer daughter in a concentration camp.
Sorry, not willing to add another genocide to the mix.
But do tell me who you think I should vote for that will end the genocide in Gaza.
Chase Oliver would absolutely end our genocide support Source, and I hear this kinda hyperbole all the time but the truth is Trump is a populist he does whatever whim comes his way, with that attitude he really is more likely than Harris to end our genocide support. Idk how you came to think your daughter is in harm’s way by not voting Harris, but def sounds like Blue No Matter who syndrome. You can’t think hes a brain dead fool and some master tactician at the same time.
I’ve never even heard of Chase Oliver.
You must realize this person has a zero percent chance of winning the election, right? Voting for them will do nothing to stop genocide.
One of two possible people will be in the Oval Office in January and one of those two is not Chase Oliver.
What part of “I don’t want my queer daughter to be put in a concentration camp” do you not understand here?
The media blocks him out but he is the only third party on almost all ballots. You support Harris because you think they’ll win, you did not even challenge my candidate on anything only “winnabillity” thats blue no matter who which is just this season’s tea party to me. Again please point to a concentration camp Trump would open? Cause I saw Trump had migrants in vacant office buildings until the dems said that was bad and Biden made them start sleeping under a bridge. That you can’t even fathom that Harris is part of the problem has me legit worried.
Yes. And my daughter won’t be put in a concentration camp.
For fuck’s sake…
So you ignored my ask for proof and/or what makes you think that? Again why do you think that besides “Trump Bad”? And not to be mean but since we pulling threads what do you think of Gazans in Ghettoes currently? They are literally in a camp right now and youll vote to support that because of a hypothetical but you are not a scared sheep 🙄 You: we need those things to be safe
Damn you’re dense. Next you’ll be trying to convince us that a narcissistic asshole who’s only ambition in life is to enrich himself is somehow better for Gaza and women’s rights. Trump could not find Gaza on a map let alone help stop a war.
They’re not dense, they’re disingenuous.
And the sad part is he gives so little fucks about Gaza he might pull us out by accident. Harris has made clear she would never ever withdraw no matter what. Thats better because?
That’s better because Harris isn’t also trying to fuck everyone over in every conceivable way in addition to supporting the genocide. Now quit your bullshit.
He might accidentally pull us out of…a place the US military is not even deployed.
What are you even smoking?!?
Bro Idk if you wanna believe what they tell you, but how do you think a pier was built in Gaza by American forces with no boots on the ground? Where are the weapons coming from? Like you gotta ignore alot to say we aren’t there.
I’m upvoting you since it seems like you were just trying to understand their (admittedly strange) point of view. It doesn’t seem like you made any claim
Edit: I got downvoted for saying there are kids raised by same sex adoptive parents, so I understand the confusion
They definitely do that. I know a guy who frequently rants that democrats or pro choice people are “baby killers”. I tried to explain that a baby and a fetus are different things even if one develops into another. This devolved into an argument about where to draw that line. It did not go well.
The line is rather grey, but most people would agree that there is a certain point in the pregnancy when voluntary abortion is ethical, and that it should be allowed even later if the mother has a good reason, or her life is in danger.
I really don’t think it is grey. This is about bodily autonomy, right? If you can extract the fetus without it dying when extracted, don’t let it die after you extract it. If there’s a way for a fetus to survive if it gets removed after the 8th week, great. Put it in the incubator or whatever. The point is that the pregnant woman should not be forced to have it in her body.
Weirdly, I never hear about anti-abortionists talk about how artificial womb technology should be researched and developed.
This is the viability / bodily autonomy argument combined. I don’t think conservatives find it all that compelling as they are advocating for the rights of the unborn. You wouldn’t turn off the life support of someone that is conscious but on a ventilator, right? It’s the same principle. I’m just telling you from their perspective.
I think the strongest argument in favor of abortion is the consciousness argument (around 24 weeks I think).
It’s not so simple otherwise we would have all figured it out long ago.
Most people are pro choice yes. The fact that media outlets allow this shit to be talked about like it is actually a half and half thing is ridiculous.
It is simple. If you believe a person for ANY reason at ANY time could be allowed to have a fetus aborted EVER meaning it could never grow, it will kill the mother, and she was raped by her own father at age 8. YOU ARE PRO CHOICE. Period. If you are against that. You are anti choice.
Pro choice saves lives, anti choice kills and ruins lives
That’s a novel way of saying “I can see why an absolute lunatic might think that”…
Bad idea. The whole “Devil’s Advocate” schtick was invented by the Catholic church, after all…
They do consider abortion to be infanticide*, but that’s beside the point. They are specifically claiming that in Democrat run states that it is legal to kill a baby after it is born.
(*Not really, that’s just the proxy argument for being in control of women’s bodies.)
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They are outright claiming that Democrat voters are in favor of abortions at the time of birth and even after birth.
Literally calling us baby killers
Sorry, there’s probably a typo there and it wasn’t intentional bad grammar, but I don’t understand what you meant.
Damn, you’re actually getting downvoted for demonstrating an understanding of a conservative taking point (without endorsing it) and acknowledging the fact that many Democrats, in fact, support Israel.
Because some people actually know what he is literally claiming instead of giving them false credit for a remote acquaintance with sanity.