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    -12 months ago

    Can you supply a convincing argument for suffering? We are fully capable of living with much, much less meat production. Why should we continue to inflict pain on things which can experience it? It seems manifest to me

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      32 months ago

      Can you supply a convincing argument for suffering?

      i’m not saying it’s a moral good. i’m saying it’s amoral. as in it is neither good or bad in itself.

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        -12 months ago

        We have agency over our actions and the ability to reduce the negative impacts we have on the world. We are unique in this ability, and we should exercise it

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            22 months ago

            Would you kick a dog in the street? Shoot a cat with a bb gun? These are things that happen with frequency, but I wouldn’t do because I think that causing pain to another animal, senselessly, is a bad thing.

            Would you raise a chicken in complete darkness for its whole life? Would you raise a cow in a suffocatingly small pen among its excrement? Impregnate a cow constantly and steal its babies away for meat so you can continue to milk it until it dies? Animals feel pain. They communicate, they suffer, they mourn.

            If you can supply an argument that causing suffering of innocent animals is good/doesn’t matter, I’m all ears.

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              32 months ago

              If you can supply an argument that causing suffering … is good/doesn’t matter

              sure. battlefield amputations cause suffering. sometimes it saves a life. it’s good.

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              22 months ago

              Would you kick a dog in the street? Shoot a cat with a bb gun?

              no. these are cruel. practicing cruelty toward animals may create a habit, and end with practicing cruelty toward people, which would be immoral. it is best not to practice cruelty at all.

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                22 months ago

                Animal agriculture is necessarily cruel. It is efficient. By your logic, this cruelty is negative. It sounds like we are very close to agreeing, frankly

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              22 months ago

              If you can supply an argument that causing suffering of innocent animals is good/doesn’t matter, I’m all ears.

              “innocent” here is an appeal to emotion, since we don’t regard non-human animals as moral agents.