If you are in an industry where an emergency at 2 am cannot wait until 0900 (or whenever shift starts in the morning), fucking pay a swing shift to be there. Or fairly compensate your employees for calls off the clock. Either way, stop expecting free labor from your employees. And if your business can’t afford to exist without fairly compensating those who work for it, then your business should not exist.
They didn’t go over the edge, people had to fight and die to get us to the edge we’re on now. They were actually worse in the past if you can actually believe it.
There was a factory in NYC that locked the doors so people wouldn’t take breaks outside. A fire happened and people died because of this. Afterwards they…did it again. Regulations are written in blood and usually because anyone expecting a business to do the right thing, especially a larger one, is so bewilderingly stupid that I’m shocked that their shriveled up brain can even keep their heart beating when they go to sleep at night.
As someone else pointed out. The triangle shirtwaist factory fire.
But as another example of businesses doing shitty things that led to people dying. The Iroquois Theater fire in Chicago. They didn’t want poor people changing seats to nicer ones so locked the doors to those areas when the play started and they bribed people to not finish their fire safety equipment but still get approved to open. Hundreds died.
Yea. If I remember my fires correctly, this one also has doors that opened into the theater so as mobs of people pushed to get out, the doors jammed and couldn’t be opened. It directly led to the regulation for outward swinging egress doors and “crash” hardware. Which are those bars on exit doors so in an emergency people can just crash into them and they open.
Sounds like dude doesn’t know about the concept of teams paid to be on-call 24/7.
I’m sure those are exempt. If a well-managed critical server goes down at 2am, you can be sure some employee is part of an on-call team for just such an event.
That’s not with this about. This is about bugging people to work when they are off the clock.
I’m extremely lucky. I’m a condominium superintendent, and my current job I am on call, but only for emergencies. There’s a security team that will handle most things but call me if it’s actually an emergency, residents don’t actually call me directly after hours.
I get maybe one real emergency call every other month or less and they rarely take very long to deal with.
And my compensation is that I get a free 2 bedroom condo, in which I don’t pay rent, utilities, or even my tv or internet bill. And I’m part of a union.
Yeah usually floods from a pipe or such. Generally I can at least isolate the area and shut off water to the
Apartment causing the flood until the plumbers can come and repair things. Or like I may get a call that the garage gate is stuck and I gotta call an emergency repair or something
If you are in an industry where an emergency at 2 am cannot wait until 0900 (or whenever shift starts in the morning), fucking pay a swing shift to be there. Or fairly compensate your employees for calls off the clock. Either way, stop expecting free labor from your employees. And if your business can’t afford to exist without fairly compensating those who work for it, then your business should not exist.
I feel like this is a rare and very sane view. Businesses went over the edge at some point. No idea when though.
It trickled down over the years
Down their pant legs.
The only thing that’s trickled out of Reaganomics successfully.
They didn’t go over the edge, people had to fight and die to get us to the edge we’re on now. They were actually worse in the past if you can actually believe it.
Businesses are the ones who put child in coal mines. They will take everything we can. Only together do we get any rights or protections
There was a factory in NYC that locked the doors so people wouldn’t take breaks outside. A fire happened and people died because of this. Afterwards they…did it again. Regulations are written in blood and usually because anyone expecting a business to do the right thing, especially a larger one, is so bewilderingly stupid that I’m shocked that their shriveled up brain can even keep their heart beating when they go to sleep at night.
As someone else pointed out. The triangle shirtwaist factory fire.
But as another example of businesses doing shitty things that led to people dying. The Iroquois Theater fire in Chicago. They didn’t want poor people changing seats to nicer ones so locked the doors to those areas when the play started and they bribed people to not finish their fire safety equipment but still get approved to open. Hundreds died.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Yea. If I remember my fires correctly, this one also has doors that opened into the theater so as mobs of people pushed to get out, the doors jammed and couldn’t be opened. It directly led to the regulation for outward swinging egress doors and “crash” hardware. Which are those bars on exit doors so in an emergency people can just crash into them and they open.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fire
It started in the 1980s with massive deregulation. I wonder who might have done that 🧐
Sounds like dude doesn’t know about the concept of teams paid to be on-call 24/7.
I’m sure those are exempt. If a well-managed critical server goes down at 2am, you can be sure some employee is part of an on-call team for just such an event.
That’s not with this about. This is about bugging people to work when they are off the clock.
And that’s exactly what Kevin is advocating for. He wants the benefits of an on-call team without having to pay for an on-call team.
Oh he knows. He just wants the benefit without the cost.
I’m extremely lucky. I’m a condominium superintendent, and my current job I am on call, but only for emergencies. There’s a security team that will handle most things but call me if it’s actually an emergency, residents don’t actually call me directly after hours.
I get maybe one real emergency call every other month or less and they rarely take very long to deal with.
And my compensation is that I get a free 2 bedroom condo, in which I don’t pay rent, utilities, or even my tv or internet bill. And I’m part of a union.
What would be a real condo emergency? Like a pipe burst? Doesn’t sound like something the super could handle without a plumber coming.
Yeah usually floods from a pipe or such. Generally I can at least isolate the area and shut off water to the Apartment causing the flood until the plumbers can come and repair things. Or like I may get a call that the garage gate is stuck and I gotta call an emergency repair or something