Created this account so I could create the community. Decided on lemm.ee because my main account is on aussie.zone, which does not allow community creation (and limits its communities to things about Australia). Figured lemm.ee is better than lemmy.world due to the latter’s performance/federation issues.

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  • Blaze (he/him)English
    1•2 months ago

    Now I get more why you are pushing so hard to make it profitable.

    Have you considered finding another job in the meantime? The Fediverse isn’t going to be profitable any time soon

    • @[email protected]English
      1•2 months ago

      Have you considered finding another job in the meantime?

      What makes you think I am not looking?

          • Blaze (he/him)English
            1•2 months ago

            Because the chances of this actually happening are quite slim.

            It would be nice the Fediverse became profitable, and if Communick could become your main source of income, but from every signal we can see, it is not going to happen anytime soon.

            10-15k customers to pay me $30/year

            That’s like a third of the current Lemmy userbase, who would be using exclusively your instances. Probably not realistic in the near future.

            • @[email protected]English
              1•2 months ago

              This is not just over the Lemmy userbase.

              • It’s the million+ people using Mastodon, Misskey, Pixelfed, etc.
              • It’s the million+ people that still pay for Reddit Gold, and could be paying a fraction of that and still have a good experience on the Fediverse.
              • It’s the millions of people that were on Twitter and now are (likely) going to end up on Bluesky
              • It’s the millions of people that pay $10/month for Spotify but could be well served by a Funkwhale instance
              • It’s every writer that is on Substack but could be making a living with subscription-based access like https://sub.club or the payment gateway features from https://mitra.social

              When I am dreaming of 10-15k users, I am looking at all the potential userbase, not the existing one.

              Honestly, what bothers me a bit is you saying “It would be nice the Fediverse became profitable”, but from all our interactions you seem to only support efforts that do not require any material (i.e, financial contribution) from you, and you have been purposefully avoiding contributing to the topic-based instances that I have set up.

              I’ll tell you one thing, I am thinking about giving away all the topic-based instances to the collective behind feddit.org. If I do that, would you move away your communities there?

              • Blaze (he/him)English
                1•2 months ago

                you seem to only support efforts that do not require any material (i.e, financial contribution) from you,

                Nice to see that you consider that my time is worthless. Or is other people’s time only valuable when they are admins?

                I’ll tell you one thing, I am thinking about giving away all the topic-based instances to the collective behind feddit.org. If I do that, would you move away your communities there?

                What do you mean by this? How would this work? How would pay the costs and spend time managing all of these topic specific instances?

                Not going to comment on your first paragraph, as you seem convinced this userbase is there and ready to use your services.

                • @[email protected]English
                  1•2 months ago

                  I didn’t say your time is worthless. I am actually impressed with how much you’ve done here. What I am saying is that you only support things with your time, and you refused to help whenever money was involved. Is that not accurate?

                  pay the costs and spend time managing all of these topic specific instances?

                  So you acknowledge that running instances do have costs that need to be covered somehow. That’s already a good thing.

                  Anyway, to make the case here: I am willing to move ownership of the instances to feddit.org’s OpenCollective and even keep managing it, as long as there is understanding that they should be topic specific and closed for registrations. The idea would be to have feddit.org as the instance for people, and the topic instances as home for groups.

                  If that were to happen, would you move your communities there?

                  as you seem convinced this userbase is there and ready to use your services

                  No, I am convinced of its potential. There is a difference.

                  • Blaze (he/him)English
                    1•2 months ago

                    What I am saying is that you only support things with your time, and you refused to help whenever money was involved. Is that not accurate?

                    I support my main instance enough to cover the costs: based on the other thread I opened, and having a look at sopuli’s FAQ, https://sopuli.xyz/post/13531 it costs them 0,06€ per user per month, so 0,72€ per year.

                    I don’t know why you keep bringing this up, or maybe you meant that one time I refused to get a communick subscription?

                    Based on that other thread, some instances have costs as low as 0,10$ per user per month, so 1,2$ per year.

                    I just checked the Communick prices again, indeed it’s 30$ per year, which is 25 times more expensive than the cost above.

                    If that were to happen, would you move your communities there?

                    Why would I? You have been always been claiming that if something would happen to you, someone else would take over, but we still only see you talking about Communick.

                    Managing an instance takes time and requires a team to be done properly. You are suggesting to add a number of instances on a single team. Have you ever asked them if they would be okay with this?

                    We have discussed this in the past already: I’m always reluctant to use your instances as you are the single point of failure of the whole Communick projects.

                    If lemm.ee goes down tomorrow, that would be a good news but Lemmy as a whole would recover. If lemm.ee, lemmy.ca, sh.itjust.works, Lemmy.dbzer0, feddit.org and discuss.tchncs.de would go down together tomorrow, that might probably kill the platform.

                    Having a set of predominant content instances managed by the same person (or team, if you get feddit.org’s approval), wouldn’t be that much different from having Lemmy.world dominating Lemmy as they are now.

                    Let instances develop organically. Let them be managed by different teams, with different people, different approaches. Let people use the software rather than trying to centralize its control.