Considering that Biden is currently in power, and the Democratic Candidate is the VP, I don’t think there’s any danger of a contested transition. Once the votes are counted, the only fuckery the Trumpists could pull would be organized violence, and the military is firmly under Biden’s control.
You do realize the MAGAs have been appointing “stop the steal” conspiracists to positions throughout the elections bureaucracy and are trying to recruit 100,000 poll “watchers” (read: saboteurs) specifically to try to stop that from happening, right?
Four years ago, the Trump campaign filed 50+ lawsuits trying to throw out votes because of alleged fraud that were basically all thrown out because no fraud could be found, and failed to stop states from certifying votes because the bureaucrats were doing their jobs. Now, they’re in a position not only to severely obstruct the counting and certification in the first place, but also sue over accusations of fraud that will be credible because their dumbass followers will have committed it themselves!
And of course, it’ll all be juuuuust stochastic and “lone wolf” enough that the Trump campaign itself will have [im]plausible deniability for directing it. The Heritage-Foundation-stacked courts will fall over themselves in their haste to clear Trump of any wrongdoing, while simultaneously saying “aww shucks we still have to invalidate the vote tho” or slow-walking any case they can’t plausibly say that about. This will result in either Trump crossing the 270 EC vote threshold by courts handing him wins for states where whole swathes of results for Democratic-leaning precincts have been thrown out, or throwing out enough results that neither candidate gets 270 votes so that the election gets decided by a “one state, one vote” poll in the House. Either way, Trump regains the Presidency “legally,” all Hell breaks loose with Project 2025 and the Supreme Court ruling making the President a king, and American democracy as we know it is over.
Please: save this comment, come back to it on Inauguration Day, and mock me for being wrong when democracy and the rule of law prevails. Be merciless about it! Ridicule me to within an inch of my life for my silly, unfounded worrying. I’m serious: please do that and I will love you for it.
Because I have no greater wish than to be wrong about this.
I was responding to someone who is worried about the time between votes being counted and the swearing in. The fuckery you mentioned initially doesn’t address that, since it occurs during the vote count. If your criticism needs to exceed the scope of my statement, then I’m not going to read it.
No, you were responding to someone worried about the time “from November 5 till January 20.” That’s very much inclusive of the vote counting and certification, not subsequent to it. If you’re gonna use pedantry as a petty excuse for bad-faith contrarianism, the least you could do is not fuck it up!
And “i’M nOt goInG to rEAd iT” – really? What are you, a small child having a tantrum? Quit huffing hopium and whining about being confronted with reality.
That’s true, to a degree. However, If they do something egregious enough, I suspect Biden or Harris will be able to deal with it without expending political capital. What, aside from denying a recount do you think they might do that would have an impact?
Just like last time I will be holding my breath from November 5 till January 20.
Considering that Biden is currently in power, and the Democratic Candidate is the VP, I don’t think there’s any danger of a contested transition. Once the votes are counted, the only fuckery the Trumpists could pull would be organized violence, and the military is firmly under Biden’s control.
You do realize the MAGAs have been appointing “stop the steal” conspiracists to positions throughout the elections bureaucracy and are trying to recruit 100,000 poll “watchers” (read: saboteurs) specifically to try to stop that from happening, right?
Four years ago, the Trump campaign filed 50+ lawsuits trying to throw out votes because of alleged fraud that were basically all thrown out because no fraud could be found, and failed to stop states from certifying votes because the bureaucrats were doing their jobs. Now, they’re in a position not only to severely obstruct the counting and certification in the first place, but also sue over accusations of fraud that will be credible because their dumbass followers will have committed it themselves!
And of course, it’ll all be juuuuust stochastic and “lone wolf” enough that the Trump campaign itself will have [im]plausible deniability for directing it. The Heritage-Foundation-stacked courts will fall over themselves in their haste to clear Trump of any wrongdoing, while simultaneously saying “aww shucks we still have to invalidate the vote tho” or slow-walking any case they can’t plausibly say that about. This will result in either Trump crossing the 270 EC vote threshold by courts handing him wins for states where whole swathes of results for Democratic-leaning precincts have been thrown out, or throwing out enough results that neither candidate gets 270 votes so that the election gets decided by a “one state, one vote” poll in the House. Either way, Trump regains the Presidency “legally,” all Hell breaks loose with Project 2025 and the Supreme Court ruling making the President a king, and American democracy as we know it is over.
Please: save this comment, come back to it on Inauguration Day, and mock me for being wrong when democracy and the rule of law prevails. Be merciless about it! Ridicule me to within an inch of my life for my silly, unfounded worrying. I’m serious: please do that and I will love you for it.
Because I have no greater wish than to be wrong about this.
well… you were wrong, but only because it was worse than expected.
Oh, fuck. I really wished on the monkey’s paw on that one, didn’t it?
No gloating, yes, and I am crying with you
I’m not reading all that.
I was responding to someone who is worried about the time between votes being counted and the swearing in. The fuckery you mentioned initially doesn’t address that, since it occurs during the vote count. If your criticism needs to exceed the scope of my statement, then I’m not going to read it.
No, you were responding to someone worried about the time “from November 5 till January 20.” That’s very much inclusive of the vote counting and certification, not subsequent to it. If you’re gonna use pedantry as a petty excuse for bad-faith contrarianism, the least you could do is not fuck it up!
And “i’M nOt goInG to rEAd iT” – really? What are you, a small child having a tantrum? Quit huffing hopium and whining about being confronted with reality.
the illegitimate supreme court is very much a danger.
That’s true, to a degree. However, If they do something egregious enough, I suspect Biden or Harris will be able to deal with it without expending political capital. What, aside from denying a recount do you think they might do that would have an impact?