As a prisoner, what happens if you refuse? Like, in that position I’d just say no, then they’d likely throw me in the hole, but that’s a lot better than being a slave from what I can tell.
wtf are you smoking? I am speaking from my own personal opinion that I’d rather be dead than a slave any day. If someone else in the system wants to be a slave, that’s on them. But I would rather die than work for pennies or less of compensation just to line the pockets of some already wealthy corporation.
You were speaking about someone else’s real death, actually, and saying “better off dead than a slave.” It comes across callous.
If everyone lived by your recommendation, all employees would kill themselves because their lives aren’t worth living as a slave. Do you really think all employees qualia is so worthless that it’s better they kill themselves? They should be further abused by slavery by being denied what joy they can squeeze from it? Don’t you think this just helps the people who want to harm us and genocide us?
Don’t you find a joy in spitefully opposing capitalists and slavers? Every time you enjoy life without paying a penny for it, you thwart capitalism. Every time you enjoy life outside of capitalist bullshit, you break the trance and lies it’s trying to market to us.
Autonomy and power work like roots in a rock. Let the little tiny parts work through and the bigger ones will come too to break it apart. Seize the little powers you can and then work on bigger ones. Use your rights.
I was talking about one single person, myself. I literally posed it as myself being in this situation. You are obviously literate enough to write that whole diatribe that I’m not going to waste my time reading, but you are too stupid to notice that I wasn’t talking about anyone but myself. Get fucked dude lmfao
Gee, it’s almost like what you said was really callous and you failed to make your meaning clear as I am not the only one to take issue with it. And now that it’s been made clear how fucked up your statement was (since you aren’t a slave and since you’re alive, have never been a slave), you are refusing to participate. Fine, I accept that you quit and were wrong in how you communicated at minimum.
You say that as an innocent person right? What if you committed a crime and you know you’re guilty of it? Would you not just do your time because your own conscience motivates you to do so?
Im going to answer in order- 1. No I say this as someone who never got caught for my shit (not saying it to seem hard or cool, just answering your question) and since everything that I’ve done has no negative impact on others- 2. I know what crimes I’ve committed, and since they never harmed anyone, regardless of how I know I’m guilty of doing them- 3. My conscience would say something to the effect of, “this is absolute bullshit, and I would rather die than become a slave over some bullshit. What I did may not have been even close to worthy of a death sentence, from the sounds of how those who actually do work are treated, it’s likely to be a death sentence regardless (70% working in unsafe conditions, I know how that shit ends). So I might as well die knowing that I’m not being forced into some bullshit that removes all dignity from my existence.”
There are many ways to gain your “compliance”. Prisons must provide basic meals by law, but they can undercut the necessary calories and vitamins, so that if you’re not buying food from the prison shop, you’re likely to get sick (and eventually die). They can make your work status a factor in whether to grant you parole. They can transfer unwilling folk to the more dangerous units or prisons… So many easy options to gain compliance, if you don’t care about human rights.
Cutting my food would just make it more akin to life now, so they won’t have much luck there. Getting parole I generally wouldn’t expect, but when facing a parole board I’d mention that being a slave falls under my own definition of cruel and unusual, so I refuse, and if that doesn’t sway them, I’m likely fucked regardless. Being transferred to a more dangerous unit would likely lead to death, but as I’ve said multiple times in this post, better dead than a slave. Overall, if my choices are slavery that likely ends in being maimed and then death, or not being a slave and then dying, I’ll take the latter any day of the week.
A friend of mine was arrested on felony charges while he was sick, so they put him straight into solitary for medical isolation. Once he had surgery and recovered, they relocated him to the panopticon area. He said it felt like getting out of jail, he was so happy just to not be in solitary anymore.
Who need stimulation? Sleep is stimulating enough. Also, I’m pretty adept at creating games and tiny things to occupy my mind and time. Being a kid pre internet with few homies around definitely prepared me for such an occurrence. And I get it, it’d be that but for months on end, but if it prevents me from being a slave, then such is life.
You’ve never been in jail for more than 3 days if you think you can sleep through a multiple year prison sentence.
Once your sleep debt is full your body will not allow you to sleep more without chemicals and they don’t exactly provide sleeping aids to you in prison.
No, I haven’t. Like I said in my other reply to you, I was never caught for my shit. I understand sleep debt being full is a thing, but you don’t understand my ability to sleep for lengthy periods. And like I said in my original post, I can find endless ways to entertain myself. Would it be an ideal situation? Obviously far from it, but you work with what you’ve got.
As a prisoner, what happens if you refuse? Like, in that position I’d just say no, then they’d likely throw me in the hole, but that’s a lot better than being a slave from what I can tell.
They could put you in the sun for several hours with no shade, ice, or water then pretend it wasn’t manslaughter when you die from heat exposure at 27
https://apnews.com/article/georgia-prison-death-heat-lawsuit-department-corrections-27b73f63e450bb10f29098ad2e1c26e2
Better dead than a slave any day.
Isn’t that genocide? You think slavery conditions that are so bad people die is a good thing?
wtf are you smoking? I am speaking from my own personal opinion that I’d rather be dead than a slave any day. If someone else in the system wants to be a slave, that’s on them. But I would rather die than work for pennies or less of compensation just to line the pockets of some already wealthy corporation.
You were speaking about someone else’s real death, actually, and saying “better off dead than a slave.” It comes across callous.
If everyone lived by your recommendation, all employees would kill themselves because their lives aren’t worth living as a slave. Do you really think all employees qualia is so worthless that it’s better they kill themselves? They should be further abused by slavery by being denied what joy they can squeeze from it? Don’t you think this just helps the people who want to harm us and genocide us?
Don’t you find a joy in spitefully opposing capitalists and slavers? Every time you enjoy life without paying a penny for it, you thwart capitalism. Every time you enjoy life outside of capitalist bullshit, you break the trance and lies it’s trying to market to us.
Autonomy and power work like roots in a rock. Let the little tiny parts work through and the bigger ones will come too to break it apart. Seize the little powers you can and then work on bigger ones. Use your rights.
I was talking about one single person, myself. I literally posed it as myself being in this situation. You are obviously literate enough to write that whole diatribe that I’m not going to waste my time reading, but you are too stupid to notice that I wasn’t talking about anyone but myself. Get fucked dude lmfao
Gee, it’s almost like what you said was really callous and you failed to make your meaning clear as I am not the only one to take issue with it. And now that it’s been made clear how fucked up your statement was (since you aren’t a slave and since you’re alive, have never been a slave), you are refusing to participate. Fine, I accept that you quit and were wrong in how you communicated at minimum.
You say that as an innocent person right? What if you committed a crime and you know you’re guilty of it? Would you not just do your time because your own conscience motivates you to do so?
Im going to answer in order- 1. No I say this as someone who never got caught for my shit (not saying it to seem hard or cool, just answering your question) and since everything that I’ve done has no negative impact on others- 2. I know what crimes I’ve committed, and since they never harmed anyone, regardless of how I know I’m guilty of doing them- 3. My conscience would say something to the effect of, “this is absolute bullshit, and I would rather die than become a slave over some bullshit. What I did may not have been even close to worthy of a death sentence, from the sounds of how those who actually do work are treated, it’s likely to be a death sentence regardless (70% working in unsafe conditions, I know how that shit ends). So I might as well die knowing that I’m not being forced into some bullshit that removes all dignity from my existence.”
You’re so smart! You solved slavery!
Ok… 👍
There are many ways to gain your “compliance”. Prisons must provide basic meals by law, but they can undercut the necessary calories and vitamins, so that if you’re not buying food from the prison shop, you’re likely to get sick (and eventually die). They can make your work status a factor in whether to grant you parole. They can transfer unwilling folk to the more dangerous units or prisons… So many easy options to gain compliance, if you don’t care about human rights.
Cutting my food would just make it more akin to life now, so they won’t have much luck there. Getting parole I generally wouldn’t expect, but when facing a parole board I’d mention that being a slave falls under my own definition of cruel and unusual, so I refuse, and if that doesn’t sway them, I’m likely fucked regardless. Being transferred to a more dangerous unit would likely lead to death, but as I’ve said multiple times in this post, better dead than a slave. Overall, if my choices are slavery that likely ends in being maimed and then death, or not being a slave and then dying, I’ll take the latter any day of the week.
There is some analysis described here: https://news.uchicago.edu/story/us-prison-labor-programs-violate-fundamental-human-rights-new-report-finds
Yeah, as I said in another comment, better dead than a slave.
Is it? At least you would have something to do other than sit there.
This is NOT me saying that this is OK in any way. Just that “the hole” would be fucking awful. Lack of stimulation is torture.
A friend of mine was arrested on felony charges while he was sick, so they put him straight into solitary for medical isolation. Once he had surgery and recovered, they relocated him to the panopticon area. He said it felt like getting out of jail, he was so happy just to not be in solitary anymore.
Who need stimulation? Sleep is stimulating enough. Also, I’m pretty adept at creating games and tiny things to occupy my mind and time. Being a kid pre internet with few homies around definitely prepared me for such an occurrence. And I get it, it’d be that but for months on end, but if it prevents me from being a slave, then such is life.
You’ve never been in jail for more than 3 days if you think you can sleep through a multiple year prison sentence.
Once your sleep debt is full your body will not allow you to sleep more without chemicals and they don’t exactly provide sleeping aids to you in prison.
No, I haven’t. Like I said in my other reply to you, I was never caught for my shit. I understand sleep debt being full is a thing, but you don’t understand my ability to sleep for lengthy periods. And like I said in my original post, I can find endless ways to entertain myself. Would it be an ideal situation? Obviously far from it, but you work with what you’ve got.