• @Zombiepirate
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      53 months ago

      Your profile says you’re a conservative and a fascist? @neuromancer said before they’re incompatible, and he’s a conservative.

      He also says Lincoln was a conservative.

      Why do you both say the opposite? Is conservatism so meaningless that such fundamental differences are just ignored?

      Why do you think conservatives deny that fascists are part of their movement when they clearly are?

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        -23 months ago

        @Zombiepirate

        Fascists are hybrids. Fascism is corporatism, i.e. state control through corporations.

        What does my profile say?

        “Furthest Right: raging realism plus transcendental reverence. I write at https://www.amerika.org/ and https://www.deathmetal.org/ about topics such as nihilism, ecofascism, paganism, eugenics, capitalism, perennialism, conservatism, natural selection, and of course death metal.”

        Ecofascism is a separate movement. You read your Linkola and Kaczynski?

        Full readout here:
        https://annihilation.social/notice/AgRr091ay4W0HCTtcu

        Lincoln was a radical. He, too, was a hybrid, in that he came from the Anglo tradition but was outside of it as a “radical.”

        He was a progressive of his age. He was closer to Marx than Washington.

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          23 months ago

          So you’re saying that fascists and conservatives work to similar ends?

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            -13 months ago

            @Zombiepirate

            The most conservative society:

            * Absolute monarchy
            * Ethno-nationalist
            * Free market based
            * Caste system
            * Culture/religion united

            Like anything else, there are degrees of conservatism.

            Some conservatives, like GWB, are barely conservative.

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            -23 months ago

            @Zombiepirate

            Fascists still believe in the State; conservatives are free market devotees but ambivalent if not hostile to the State.

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              3 months ago

              Not all conservatives are free market devotees; that’s a modern twist that is not universal.

              But you agree that they work to the same ends?

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                -13 months ago

                @Zombiepirate

                I disagree. Conservatives naturally favor organic methods like common law, free markets, culture, and hierarchy.

                As far as work to the same ends, I think you have it backwards. Fascism is a hybrid. It borrows some goals and methods from both Left and Right.

                • @Zombiepirate
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                  23 months ago

                  Conservatism also borrows from the leftist rhetoric and action though, so that’s not a solid distinction.

                  They’re both counterrevolutionary in nature; I don’t see the distinction that you do. It appears that they are possibly different in degree instead of kind. This is the “ends” that I refer to: opposition to the liberal revolutions since the 18th century.

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                    -13 months ago

                    @Zombiepirate

                    Also, wanting something other than the revolutionary order is not opposition.

                    It’s a choice for an alternative.

                    Ordinary people recognize that, but ideologues do not.

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                    -13 months ago

                    @Zombiepirate

                    Conservatism existed before Leftism. Any borrowing is the other way.

                    Leftism is inherently revolutionary. You recall the origins of the term?

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        -23 months ago

        @Zombiepirate

        As to what conservatism is, I write about that a lot:

        https://www.amerika.org/

        It is a focus on order beyond the individual and the social group; we call it realism, and it tends to favor historically-proven results and a case-by-case basis instead of ideological categorical containers.

        About ten thousand people in North America can successfully parse that sentence.