Also, in b4 fascists start pretending like the Stalinist bootlicker Thalmann hadn’t spent the past half-decade backstabbing and burning bridges with the SPD, which had previously been cooperative with the KPD after the establishment of the Weimar Republic.
I find it wild that you take that conclusion from what I said. The largest portion of Palestine protesters care about one thing, which is the quickest end to the ongoing genocide possible. In the US that means getting the government to stop funding said genocide. The means through which to do that are protesting and striking. Is there anything in this that screams accelerationist to you? I’m just telling you that most anti genocide protesters will not vote for the democratic party. However, those protesters are doing much more for Palestine than you are. So calling them fascist is indeed appalling.
Palestinians have fought this battle for decades. They are experienced with tactics to support their cause. They are not asking for you to vote, they are asking for you to organise your workplace to make sure that ties with Israel are being cut, and they are asking you to get on the streets to demand your government to stop supporting genocide. These are tactics that have historically been effective on this issue and other similar issues.
Would you like to re-read the first line of the meme, or are you just spouting off without regard to what the topic actually is?
Are you reading my actual words or are you just spewing nonsense with intent? Recognising that electorialism is not as effective as protestation does not mean support for accelerationism. It just means that the people protesting on the streets are doing more good than a dem voter and therefore it is completely backwards to call them fascists.
If all they manage to is change the current administration’s policy by protesting on the streets without ensuring that the current fascist threat doesn’t worm its way back into power, they’ve done a great deal less good than those of us involved in electoral politics working to actually block the fascist who jerks off to genocide and will have immense power to hurry it along.
I have nothing but respect for pro-Palestine protesters who understand the power they wield as citizens and voters. I don’t have any respect for pro-Palestine protesters who think that allowing fascism to win is in any way kosher.
If you actually spend that much time and energy in trying to get the democrats to win the election (I’m not counting online arguments), then I’d say your energy is better spent on protesting the system that is forcing people to choose between two fascist candidates. Because the people currently holding their dem votes because of the genocide are not changing their minds. It is part of being human to not vote for genocide, and forcing people to get rid of that humanity will mean a bleak future for the US in which nothing is too far or too much, as long as there is a scarier alternative.
I would say that if you see better chances in people changing their minds on voting for genocide than forcing the dems to adjust their policies then you are already in the scenario that is your nightmare, and that you should do everything to make sure that there comes an end to the vicious electoral system that forces the US into more right extremism every few years. Harris is supporting Trump by continuing the lies about the dangers of immigration and the need for such a rigid border control that it strips the humanity from everyone affected and forces children to be kept from their parents. How far will the dems move right next election if they win again? And how far right after that? They have already proven that they would rather fund genocide than getting a significant part of their voterbase back, which possibly means allowing Trump to win. They have shown time and time again that they do not actually fear a Trump win, or they would have adopted more popular positions (which are often leftist!).
This election is two choices. You either get athlete’s foot or terminal cancer. If you don’t choose, you get terminal cancer. If you protest because athlete’s foot is still bad, you get terminal cancer. Make your choice accordingly.
Yeah great way to ignore the fact that the way you vote impacts the political climate on the long term and if you vote for athletes foot today, tomorrow you will be forced to vote for terminal cancer because the alternative genocide. Except the ‘good option’ is already genocide today. Do you even know what you’re saying? Do you care so little about other people that instead of resisting genocide and fascism that you shame others into voting for it?
Nice slippery slope fallacy you got there. Do you care so little about women and lgbtqia+ people that you’d willingly sacrifice their rights? Do you care so little for kids that you’d allow the department of education to be dismantled and replaced with privatized school? Do you care so little for the shred of democracy left in America that you’d willingly let us become a christofascist theocracy? Republicans and project 2025 are a threat to the very foundation of this country, and you won’t vote to stop that? They’ll also let Israel continue their bullshit and spread it to other countries like Iran. You’re cool with that? Just so you can feel morally superior while allowing all of this other stuff to happen?
If you’re not voting Democrat right now, you’re an accelerationist.
I actually care a lot about those topics and am actively putting in work into my local lgbtq and Palestine protest communities, improving the lives of lgtbq people (like me) and making sure that the Palestinian cause is not forgotten. Through this work I talk with other leftists who care as much about these same topics as me. This puts me in a position where I know what motivates these people and gives me the generational knowledge of historically effective methods of fights for human rights.
I do not shame people into voting for or against anyone. If I did, and shamed everyone who wouldn’t vote for a liberal party like the US democrats, my community would not exist because I would alienate a lot of people who actually cares about these issues.
You are not helping anyone by calling genuine leftists fascists. You are actually closing a lot of bridges by picking fights with anyone who has a different method of fighting and advocating for human rights issues. I am 95% sure that you have not actually researched how to actually use US electorialism to your advantage, and are just repeating the same talking point that we have all heard a hundred times.
You are trying really hard to ignore the facts that lay before you:
It feels like you don’t understand the logic somehow.
They said “if you don’t vote for athlete’s foot, you’ll get terminal cancer”
You said “if you do vote for athlete’s foot, you’ll later have to vote for terminal cancer”
Let’s say that your logic is correct.
What you are advocating for is… getting terminal cancer now… so you don’t have to vote to get it later…
Pretty fucking stupid take.
I’m saying that to argue that the election is not as important as people here seem to imply, because the big scary thing that will happen with Trump will happen anyways but it will be a democrat and a few years later. You (and other commenters) seem to think that electorialism is the only way to prevent ‘facism’, but I argue that you are already under a fascist government that is funding a genocide and forcing you to keep voting for them ‘or else’. I’ve repeated this same thing a lot in these threads but I’ll do it again: historically the only way to really change the course and to protect the human rights that are at stake/lacking currently is through strikes and civil unrest.
Why aren’t the protesters calling for Hamas to release the hostages if they really want an end to the war? You have a far better chance of influencing Hamas than influencing anyone else at this point with your extreme rhetoric.
Methinks the goal isn’t actually to end the violence it’s to continue it indefinitely because many so-called pro-Palestinians are profiting from the suffering of Palestinians. A sickening turn for social media where human suffering has been monetized.
Because that was never the point, maybe? Where did you even get the idea the war would end if Hamas releases the hostages? Have you been living with us this past year? Were you keeping up with the ridiculous number of ceasefire deals Israel sabotaged?