(People pointed out that the city is dead because NPCs don’t have daily routines/cycles and they are dumb)
The issue is mainly that they (and the city overall) don’t really react in a way that has been established by open world city games since like… GTA3?
NPCs didn’t have a range of reactions to aggression or being bumped, they wouldn’t start fights, some of the seated ones wouldn’t even run away when gunfire goes off nearby they’d just stay seated and scream. The police system was obviously hellishly bad with cops just teleporting in to fight you, no chase/escape gameplay, no real anything.
The sandbox basically fails to deliver standard features of the open world city sandbox that have existed in every open world city game for 15 years.
The story content is good, and plays really well. The issue is that the world and interacting with it functionally feels like a diorama that you’re not supposed to touch. Like a background in a movie where the walls will fall over if you touch them.
Compare to how the world interacts with the player in GTA5 or RDR2 and it’s massively underwhelming, which is what people were expecting in terms of quality and polish. It’s a real shame because the game is gorgeous and tonnes of effort clearly went into its world and story. I personally have some other issues with it, like the “punk” aspect not really being present because half the studio are far-right PiS voters but it’s a Polish studio so I expected that. Trigger really demonstrated how this franchise should look when you handle it from the properly left-wing “punk” angle that the cyberpunk genre is supposed to have, fully committing with no both-sides or confusion about it.
Yep, I get all of that. Encountered some of that specially the police but it didnt really bothered me much since I also hated police chase since GTA 3. I had fun with the NPC reactions specially day 1 patches because I will scare them then chase them and switch to photomode to capture the moment like a maniac. Lol
The set-up pieces on corners of Night city, like diorama as you said is what I appreciated. Maybe it’s just me but I really liked it.
I think there’s so much more you can do with the setting and the sandbox though. The basics of a city sandbox involve the police, fire and ambulance response to problems in the city.
There should be private fire crews, and they should compete with each other. Fires that break out should have multiple private fire companies come out to them and compete for putting out the fire. This should turn into a disaster obviously because they just shoot the shit out of each other.
Ambulance teams should obviously be Trauma Team. The scene where you hand over the woman from the bathtub to Trauma Team should have been the way they work ALWAYS. They should be scary heavily geared medics that don’t fuck around about killing you to save some corpo you’ve injured, they should show up before the police in cases of corpos because Trauma Team are more efficient than the cops, and not over-stretched.
The cops should have a real chase system, and show significantly more signs of being overstretched in the city.
Areas of the world should react realistically to player inputs, rather than feeling like a diorama they should feel like living spaces.
If these had been nailed properly along with modtools the modscene for the game could have been better than Skyrim. Especially with all the locked doors everywhere for modders to add content with.
On the non-technical side of things. I find CDPR’s cyberpunk to be a little confused. Sometimes it doesn’t remember that this world is hell and it goes to “coool futureeeee”, effectively having the aesthetic trappings of the genre but trying to pretend that the world is good and likeable. Trigger’s show on the other hand is never confused about the world, it’s a living hell that nobody should ever admire or think is cool and it never strays from that. This isn’t really very surprising given that everyone working at Trigger is a communist though lmao. You can see the difference between half of CDPR being right wing who actually admire this future libertarian hell city vs Trigger’s studio full of commies.
I have to disagree heavily. RDR2, and GTA5 are completely unreactive and uncaring of the player. That’s been my problem with all Rockstar games from the start.
The closest thing to reactive stuff in RDR2 is the goddamn annoying timer that looks at “how long since last player interaction” and if it’s been too long, it’ll throw at you one of a ten or so random events (woman with a horse, prison escape, etc) to make sure you are engaged.
Rockstar have this thing with their games, there is lots of freedom to do shit that doesn’t matter, and there is a B movie inside the game. Never shall the two meet. The gameplay is doing random shit in GTA, and the story is extremely fixed missions with very specific actions you do as you play through this B movie.
Other than progressing the plot, nothing changes in the world. Nothing you do in Rockstar games matter, unless it happens inside this B movie.
I mean, isn’t this like something that Rockstar was criticized for like ten years ago? Cyberpunk 2077 is not as reactive as you’d like, but it’s at least on par with Rockstar games.
Whether the NPCs react as well, I can’t really argue about since I don’t remember GTA, et al, well enough.
Add in your take on the political leanings of several hundred strong company en masse, and I’m not sure if your take has a lot of points worth the read.
Cyberpunk 2077 is not as reactive as you’d like, but it’s at least on par with Rockstar games.
Wtf, have you actually played both? Like at all? This statement is utterly absurd. The walking NPCs in Cyberpunk literally despawn as soon as you look in the opposite direction to them and then turn back, you can not be serious.
I don’t see your PiS angle at all. Night City is pretty faithful to Mike Pondsmith’s vision, and if he didn’t think so, he wouldn’t be spreading conspiracy theories on Morrow Rock.
I was playing the game 20 years ago it is absolutely not. This is obviously explainable by the fact that half of Poland are literally fascists these days and anyone in europe understands that.
The issue is mainly that they (and the city overall) don’t really react in a way that has been established by open world city games since like… GTA3?
NPCs didn’t have a range of reactions to aggression or being bumped, they wouldn’t start fights, some of the seated ones wouldn’t even run away when gunfire goes off nearby they’d just stay seated and scream. The police system was obviously hellishly bad with cops just teleporting in to fight you, no chase/escape gameplay, no real anything.
The sandbox basically fails to deliver standard features of the open world city sandbox that have existed in every open world city game for 15 years.
The story content is good, and plays really well. The issue is that the world and interacting with it functionally feels like a diorama that you’re not supposed to touch. Like a background in a movie where the walls will fall over if you touch them.
Compare to how the world interacts with the player in GTA5 or RDR2 and it’s massively underwhelming, which is what people were expecting in terms of quality and polish. It’s a real shame because the game is gorgeous and tonnes of effort clearly went into its world and story. I personally have some other issues with it, like the “punk” aspect not really being present because half the studio are far-right PiS voters but it’s a Polish studio so I expected that. Trigger really demonstrated how this franchise should look when you handle it from the properly left-wing “punk” angle that the cyberpunk genre is supposed to have, fully committing with no both-sides or confusion about it.
Yep, I get all of that. Encountered some of that specially the police but it didnt really bothered me much since I also hated police chase since GTA 3. I had fun with the NPC reactions specially day 1 patches because I will scare them then chase them and switch to photomode to capture the moment like a maniac. Lol The set-up pieces on corners of Night city, like diorama as you said is what I appreciated. Maybe it’s just me but I really liked it.
I think there’s so much more you can do with the setting and the sandbox though. The basics of a city sandbox involve the police, fire and ambulance response to problems in the city.
There should be private fire crews, and they should compete with each other. Fires that break out should have multiple private fire companies come out to them and compete for putting out the fire. This should turn into a disaster obviously because they just shoot the shit out of each other.
Ambulance teams should obviously be Trauma Team. The scene where you hand over the woman from the bathtub to Trauma Team should have been the way they work ALWAYS. They should be scary heavily geared medics that don’t fuck around about killing you to save some corpo you’ve injured, they should show up before the police in cases of corpos because Trauma Team are more efficient than the cops, and not over-stretched.
The cops should have a real chase system, and show significantly more signs of being overstretched in the city.
Areas of the world should react realistically to player inputs, rather than feeling like a diorama they should feel like living spaces.
If these had been nailed properly along with modtools the modscene for the game could have been better than Skyrim. Especially with all the locked doors everywhere for modders to add content with.
On the non-technical side of things. I find CDPR’s cyberpunk to be a little confused. Sometimes it doesn’t remember that this world is hell and it goes to “coool futureeeee”, effectively having the aesthetic trappings of the genre but trying to pretend that the world is good and likeable. Trigger’s show on the other hand is never confused about the world, it’s a living hell that nobody should ever admire or think is cool and it never strays from that. This isn’t really very surprising given that everyone working at Trigger is a communist though lmao. You can see the difference between half of CDPR being right wing who actually admire this future libertarian hell city vs Trigger’s studio full of commies.
I have to disagree heavily. RDR2, and GTA5 are completely unreactive and uncaring of the player. That’s been my problem with all Rockstar games from the start.
The closest thing to reactive stuff in RDR2 is the goddamn annoying timer that looks at “how long since last player interaction” and if it’s been too long, it’ll throw at you one of a ten or so random events (woman with a horse, prison escape, etc) to make sure you are engaged.
Rockstar have this thing with their games, there is lots of freedom to do shit that doesn’t matter, and there is a B movie inside the game. Never shall the two meet. The gameplay is doing random shit in GTA, and the story is extremely fixed missions with very specific actions you do as you play through this B movie.
Other than progressing the plot, nothing changes in the world. Nothing you do in Rockstar games matter, unless it happens inside this B movie.
I mean, isn’t this like something that Rockstar was criticized for like ten years ago? Cyberpunk 2077 is not as reactive as you’d like, but it’s at least on par with Rockstar games.
Whether the NPCs react as well, I can’t really argue about since I don’t remember GTA, et al, well enough.
Add in your take on the political leanings of several hundred strong company en masse, and I’m not sure if your take has a lot of points worth the read.
Wtf, have you actually played both? Like at all? This statement is utterly absurd. The walking NPCs in Cyberpunk literally despawn as soon as you look in the opposite direction to them and then turn back, you can not be serious.
That’s got nothing to do with “reactive”. Although it seems absurd that I would have to even clarify this for someone.
Btw, how did you do that boxed reply? Looks cool!
That’s just a quote, it’s the same formatting as it was on reddit, just put > at the start of a line.
I don’t see your PiS angle at all. Night City is pretty faithful to Mike Pondsmith’s vision, and if he didn’t think so, he wouldn’t be spreading conspiracy theories on Morrow Rock.
I was playing the game 20 years ago it is absolutely not. This is obviously explainable by the fact that half of Poland are literally fascists these days and anyone in europe understands that.