“Federal Election Commission records show Stein paid $100,000 in July to a consulting outfit that has worked with Republican campaigns, as well as Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s independent presidential bid. The firm, Accelevate, is operated by Trent Pool. The Intercept reported that he appeared to be part of the mob that breached the grounds of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6., 2021. The Journal hasn’t independently verified the reporting.”

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    Netanyahu. AIPAC bought two candidates right out in the open. The party welcomes foreign interference against progressives.

    Isn’t the implication here that Israel - a foreign entity - is directing an american Lobby directly?

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      They can do that without so much as a dime of Israeli funds.

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        I don’t know if you are doing it intentionally. The alt right uses AIPAC funded by Israel extremely often as an Anti-semitic talking point and also as a method to minimize any Ukraine involvement. Whether intentional or not, your initial claim insinuated this heavily as if Israel and the deepstate are pulling the strings on our politicians. The reality is there are many Jews living in the US, and those jews are sympathetic to Israel. It also happens that Israel has been a longstanding ally of the US (whether that’s ethical or not is a different discussion). If you want to make the claim that AIPAC has influence in politics that’s significantly different than a foreign entity crossing FARA and directing US policy. The world is not so black and white.

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          The alt right uses AIPAC funded by Israel extremely often as an Anti-semitic talking point

          You see me say AIPAC and add “funded by Israel” which I never fucking said or even implied. They aren’t funded by Israel. You will of course ignore this and keep lying about my position.

          and also as a method to minimize any Ukraine involvement.

          Dafuq? I didn’t even mention Ukraine. For the record, Putin is a dictator who is also committing genocide. I’m glad we’re not selling him weapons. It’s too bad we’re selling any to Netanyahu just so he can murder Palestinians in order to prop up his political career.

          Whether intentional or not, your initial claim insinuated this heavily as if Israel and the deepstate are pulling the strings on our politicians.

          The deepstate? Dude. AIPAC shoveled tons of money at two centrists right out in the open. There was no secrecy. No attempt at secrecy. Just money for people who do what Netanyahu wants.

          If you want to make the claim that AIPAC has influence in politics that’s significantly different than a foreign entity crossing FARA and directing US policy.

          You’re deliberately and repeatedly lying about my position. I never said that Israel is funding AIPAC. Not fucking once. Nothing you have said during this entire conversation has even approached good faith.

          You can’t argue against what I’ve actually said, so you falsely claim I said things I did not say and hold positions I do not hold. You can beat the shit outta the straw effigy you’ve constructed of me in my absence.

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            What does this mean:

            The party welcomes foreign interference

            Walk us through what you meant to say with that.

            • @Ensign_Crab
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              02 months ago

              I already did. You added things I didn’t say to construct a strawman. You and him have fun.

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                So there is direct foreign interference from Israel violating FARA?

                Or is AIPAC an American Lobby group that is sympathetic to Israel?

                Which is it?

                • @Ensign_Crab
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                  02 months ago

                  They use only US funds when they buy politicians on behalf of Netanyahu.

                  Need some more straw?

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                    Eh, as long as Netanyahu (or any foreign government) isn’t instructing them directly on how the funds should be spent it’s perfectly legal. Otherwise any lobby group is allowed to lobby on behalf of any interest, including an ally nation. Is it ethical? That’s debatable. Is it legal? Yes, as long as FARA is not being violated.

                    You’re welcome to start your own lobby group, Ensign.

                    For what it’s worth, I’m not down voting you.