• @Keeponstalin
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    -12 months ago

    In this scenario they would have, at residential areas to get civilians to evacuate

    • @FlowVoid
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      22 months ago

      Hezbollah started firing rockets at residential areas in Israel back in October. That’s an act of war.

      • @Keeponstalin
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        Israel has fired rockets at Lebanon before then too. And before that repeatedly violated the airspace

        2007 - Present

        Until recently, the border had been relatively quiet. Occasional rockets or drones crossed from Lebanon into Israel without leading to serious escalation, while Israel violated Lebanese airspace more than 22,000 times from 2007 to 2022.

        While the withdrawal was certified by the United Nations, Lebanon disputed it, arguing that the Shebaa Farms was part of its territory, and not part of the Syrian Golan Heights, which Israel continues to occupy.

        So there are two separate issues here that lead to the current dispute: the first is that Israel occupies the Golan Heights and treats it as its own territory in violation of international law, and the second is that there was already a pre-existing disagreement between Syria and Lebanon over the border, prior to the Israeli occupation.

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          No, the first attacks came from Hezbollah, in solidarity with the Hamas attack. The first casualty was Israeli, thus starting the current cycle of escalation.

          • @Keeponstalin
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            12 months ago

            Even if you ignore the history and just act like it started after October 7th, or that Hezbollah should not care about Israel indiscriminately bombing Civilians in Gaza, Israel still drew first blood when it comes to Hezbollah

            The initial strikes on the 8th were on bases and both had no causalities

            The next day, Hezbollah fired at Israel in response to Israel killing 3 Hezbollah members from bombardment of Southern Lebanon

            The Lebanese armed group Hezbollah has fired a barrage of rockets into Israel after at least three of its members were killed during an Israeli bombardment of southern Lebanon amid soaring tensions on Israel’s northern border.

            • @FlowVoid
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              -12 months ago

              Hezbollah should not care about Israel indiscriminately bombing Civilians in Gaza

              Lots of people around the world care about what is happening to civilians in Gaza. That doesn’t mean they want to kill Israelis.

              If Hezbollah wants to show how much it cares by launching rockets at Israel, then it will find out how much Israel cares about being attacked by rockets.

              • @Keeponstalin
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                Most people don’t have the same history with Palestine and Israeli forces. And no, they don’t want genocide, that’s incredibly disingenuous. Not to mention you never apply that same lens about aggression to the actions of Israel. I don’t agree with Hezbollah at all when it comes to a solution, I think Israelis and Palestinians need to have a Secular One-State with equal rights for both, displacing Israelis is not a solution anymore than displacing Palestinians.

                Anti-Zionism and Israel (Chapter 7)

                Hizbu’llah’s reluctance to grant Israel recognition is rooted in its rendition of the origins of the Israeli state, which it unequivocally portrays as a ‘rape’ or ‘usurpation’ of Palestinian land, there by rendering it a state which ‘is originally based on aggression’. By extension, the continued existence of the Israeli state constitutes ‘an act of aggression’, insofar as it represents a perpetuation of the original act of aggression. Therefore, Hizbu’llah ‘does not know of anything called Israel’. It only knows a land called ‘occupied Palestine’. In fact, the party never refers to the state of Israel as such, but to ‘occupied Palestine’ or ‘the Zionist entity’.

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                Based on the party’s delegitimisation of the Israeli state, its excoria-tion of Israeli state and society and its emphasis on the Zionist essence of both, certain existential elements of Hizbu’llah’s conflict with Israel can be readily discerned. Upon closer examination of these elements, the following three existential themes emerge: the party’s legitimisation of the use of violence against an essentially Zionist society; its rejection of the notion of a negotiated peace settlement with the Israeli state; and its pursuit of the liberation of Palestine.

                • pg 142

                According to the party, this aspiration to return ‘every grain of Palestinian soil’ to its rightful owners necessitates Israel’s ‘oblit-eration from existence’. Put simply, the reconstitution of one state is contingent upon the annihilation of another. The only way that the Palestinians can return to Jerusalem, and the ‘original Palestineof 1948’ generally, is for all Jews, with the exception of those native to Palestine, to ‘leave this region and return to the countries from whence they came’

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                • @FlowVoid
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                  Not to mention you never apply that same lens about aggression to the actions of Israel.

                  Sure I can. For example, Israel attacked Iran with an airstrike. That’s an act of war. When Iran retaliated, nobody pretended the victim was the aggressor like they are now with Israel and Hezbollah.

                  I think Israelis and Palestinians need to have a Secular One-State with equal rights for both

                  Unfortunately I think that would be very difficult in practice. How to ensure it remains secular?

                  • @Keeponstalin
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                    12 months ago

                    People are pretending that Israel is the victim. A victim of blowback, sure. But ignoring that Israel is the one doing settler Colonialism, an Apartheid, and now a genocide in Gaza for nearly a year, does not magically make them the victim