• nfh
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    262 months ago

    Conservatism is about favoring tradition and supporting the status quo. Going this wild about a common grammatical construct because it reminds you of people you hate for existing isn’t conservative, it’s something far worse.

    • @[email protected]
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      512 months ago

      Conservatism is about favoring tradition and supporting the status quo.

      That’s just what Conservatism claims to be about, but it has always been regressive

      • nfh
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        -42 months ago

        I think we agree that most self-identified conservatives aren’t actually very invested in the status quo or tradition, and are actually regressive reactionaries, but I think it’s a clearer point to say that most self-identified conservatives aren’t in fact conservative, than that conservatism isn’t actually what people (claim they) mean when they say conservative. At that point, conservatism loses its meaning.

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          222 months ago

          At that point, conservatism loses its meaning.

          Conservatism hasn’t lost its meaning, conservatism just never meant what conservatives claimed it meant; it’s always been a façade.

          Conservatism is about conserving (and reinforcing) power structures; all talk about ‘tradition’ and ‘stability’/‘status-quo’ is wool over your eyes.

          • @[email protected]
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            22 months ago

            The status quo is white supremacy, patriarchy, gender norms, and capitalism. That is what they are conserving. Those are the traditions.

            • kora
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              12 months ago

              And the preservative is done through fear.

    • @grue
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      382 months ago

      Conservatism is about favoring tradition and supporting the status quo.

      No, that’s a lie conservatives tell to make their ideology seem less abhorrent.

      What conservatism is actually about is perpetuating hierarchy.

      • Flying SquidOP
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        122 months ago

        That would be the tradition they favor.

    • JinFox
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      262 months ago

      One could argue that so called “traditions” they are holding so much dearly in their heart never was fully a thing and is just the product of past idealizations and marketing propaganda. “The perfect suburban american trad family” from the 60s is a construct made by marketing people to sell fridges, diamond and beautiful car.

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        82 months ago

        Idealizing a fake era of greatness which came before the weak, but also very powerful bad people took it away.

        Now where have I heard that one before? 🤔

          • Flying SquidOP
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            32 months ago

            An era of greatness… for white people.

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              02 months ago

              Climate change is a thing and back then life was cheaper, this “MuH WhIte PeOpLe” shit needs to stop. 80s and 90s were not some sort of ethnonationalist world where black people were genocided.

              • Flying SquidOP
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                22 months ago

                I thought we were talking about the 1960s? You know, the era that where black people didn’t have civil rights or even voting rights in some places legally until the middle of the decade and were still being lynched in significant numbers? The era where both Malcolm X and Dr. King were assassinated?

                I stand by my comment.

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                  02 months ago

                  Again, I repeat: climate crisis automatically makes the current times worse.

                  Were it for me, 70s, 80s and 90s on a loop forever.

                  • Flying SquidOP
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                    22 months ago

                    Sorry… worse than the prospect of getting lynched and not having basic civil rights?

                    That’s quite the position of privilege you’re coming from.

                  • JinFox
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                    12 months ago

                    Wait, vietnam, forcing nuclear tests on unwilling island population, the tatcher years. The LITTERAL HOLE in the ozone layer (hey, we fixed that one yay us, just for this one bit, the climate is still fucked). Not saying your feelings are invalid, but you are cherry picking what 70s, 80s and 90s means to you, it is not a full picture of how bad it was for bunch of people. yes, stuff were cheaper back then and some people could afford house, but misplaced nostalgia past some cultural artifact isn’t really acknowledging the continuity of how shit human can be to each other for made up reasons.

      • @Serinus
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        42 months ago

        “The perfect suburban american trad family” from the 60s

        Had one working parent and stay at home moms. But they don’t give a single fuck about that part of it, do they?

          • @Serinus
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            12 months ago

            “Nobody paid that. They just reinvested in their company [and their employees and reputation] instead.”

            No shit. Sounds great. Let’s do that.

            • @Alwaysnownevernotme
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              12 months ago

              The world is honestly too far into the crumbles for it to work like that anymore, they would just use circuitous accounting to funnel it into bunkers, militarized yachts, private armies, and extra planetary fever dreams.

              • @Serinus
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                12 months ago

                Can’t just give up though. It’s one step towards making things better.

                We don’t have to solve it all at once.

                • @Alwaysnownevernotme
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                  12 months ago

                  Oh I don’t propose surrender friend.

                  A flat unmitigated tax rate on the rich.

                  Or a flat unmitigated axe rate on the rich.

    • @[email protected]
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      102 months ago

      In liberal democracy, the status quo is liberalism. Conservatism was to conserve the monarchy and aristocracy.

      • @Gradually_Adjusting
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        32 months ago

        There is a difference between historical conservatism and what it has become. Even setting that aside, there is much daylight between what a movement will profess and what it will ultimately produce.

        • @grue
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          72 months ago

          No, there really isn’t. True conservatism is an unbroken line from royalists, to confederates, to nazis, to Trump.

          It’s the allegedly small government, pro-freedom “conservatives” – i.e. self-deluded liberals who mislabeled themselves – who were the aberration.

          • @Gradually_Adjusting
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            52 months ago

            What’s the most confrontational way to respond to someone who agrees with you?

            I think you dropped your writing prompt